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Calvinism, not true
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CALVINISM'S T.U.L.I.P. (total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, perserverance of the saints); examined, not in order:


LIMITED ATONEMENT:

Calvinists are split on this issue, but most Calvinists believe that God did not give His Son to die for the world that ALL men might believe on Him and live as the scriptures declare. Most Calvinists believe that Jesus only died for an elect few who God would later force into salvation.

Not true: "And He is the propitiation (payment) for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world" 1 John 2:2.

"God will have ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For their is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus: WHO GAVE HIMSELF A RANSOM FOR ALL" 1 Tim. 2:4.

"And have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world" 1 John 4:14.

"...for I (Jesus) came not to judge the world, but to save the world" John 12:47.

"For the love of God constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if (since) one died for all, then were all dead; AND THAT HE DIED FOR ALL...and hath given to us the ministry of reconcilliation; to wit, that God was in Christ, reconcilling THE WORLD unto Himself" 2 Cor. 5:14-19.

See also John 1:29; Romans 3:21,22 and 5:18; 2 Peter 3:9; John 1:6,7 and 3:16,17; 1Tim. 4:10; and Hebrews 2:9 (He tasted death for every man).

Whosoever sincerely believes that Jesus only died for a few is an enemy of the gospel of Jesus Christ, a blasphemer against the righteous character of God, and cannot be trusted on any matter of scripture.

Once the unlimited atonement of Jesus is acknowledged, the rest of t.u.l.i.p. falls because you no longer have so-called irresistible grace.


TOTAL DEPRAVITY:

Calvinists believe that man is so totally depraved that he cannot even reprent and believe on Jesus unless God makes him believe, against his will: regenerating him while he still hates God. Then, because God regenerated them, they have faith in God and are saved.

Not true: Scripture declares that regeneration (the new birth) occurs aftern faith and not before: "But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name" John 1:12.

Furthermore, God justifies the ungodly (unregenerated) who believe in Him, not the involuntarily regenerated (Romans 4:5).

The steps of salvation are: complete repentance, faith in God and His Son Jesus Christ, justification, regeneration, sanctification, and finally glorification (with God's glory). Salvation is not as Calvinists believe: involuntary regeneration followed by repentance, faith, and then justification.


IRRESISTIBLE GRACE:

Calvinists believe that God's grace is irresistrible, and that He gives His grace to those He desires to come to Him, making them believe; and that those who reject Him are those He did not desire to come to Him.

Not true: Jesus wept over Jerusalem because although He would have gathered them unto Himself and kept them from devastation, they would not (Matthew 23:37 and Luke 19:41-44).

"Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost; as your fathers did, so do ye" Acts 7:51.

God would have all men to be saved and is not willing that any should perish (1 Timothy 2:4 and 2 Peter 3:9).

God in His absolute sovereignty allows each man to choose life or death. "I (God) call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life" Deuteronomy 30:19.

"And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose this day whom ye will serve" Joshua 24:14,15.

And the condemnation is not that man is totally depraved, as the Calvinists maintain, but rather unbelief and choosing darkness and evil: "He that believeth on [Jesus] is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved" John 3:18-21.


UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION:

Calvinists believe that God chose a few men to receive His mercy but chose most other men to receive His justice for their sin, and that His choice is based on His good pleasure.

Not true: God does not choose that we believe in His Son, but He does choose that those who believe on Him will be saved and sanctified, and all is based on His foreknowledge: He knows from the beginning what every man will decide before his time to decide is even come.

We are the elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father (1 Peter 1:2), and whom He did foreknow, them He did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son

Posted: Jun 14 2007 05:01:29pm by Shawn Maple
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Rob Henson (@greybear)
Jun 15 2007 07:40:02am
  Hmm...have a tendency to be a fundamentalist myself. Have ya read up a bit on Karl Barth. Good fellow. Please provide references for your statements on Calvinism, otherwise there is no way to check on the validity of your comments/claims. By the way you didn't actually say what you are if you aren't a Calvinist!? It gives a piece a bit more credit if you actually explain your stand rather than just dissecting/finding fault in one that you don't agree with. Just food for thought. IC, GreyBear


Shawn Maple (@animalover86)
Jun 15 2007 10:17:47am
  I am mostly non denominational. Ive attended a calvinist church and started studying the Bible and found alot of faults with calvinism. I do not mean to attack anyone. Im not going to try and force any1 to believe what I believe. I cant. Im not going to lie and say I believe it when I dont, what I believe is what is written in God's word. I take people more serious if they quote the Bible then other people.


Rob Henson (@greybear)
Jun 15 2007 10:38:49am
  Nay sweat, fundamentalist is not a denomination, it a theological set of beliefs as they apply to God's word. It's not like being a Methodist or Baptist. Ya, might try taking this test and see theologically where you might stand. Have fun with it. Which Theologian Are You? Blessings, GreyBear


Shawn Maple (@animalover86)
Jun 15 2007 12:09:28pm
  Thanks, Im greatful for that. God bless you!


Jordan Fenton (@masklessjraf)
Jan 01 2010 05:20:49pm
  Thank you, this was so well written! I have been looking for something like this to further my studies on Calvinism. This is the single best thing that I have found on the belief! Thank you again, this is so wonderful!



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