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A frank discussion about so called "cults"

In December of 1970 I officially joined a “cult”. I was an active part of that group, a leader within that group and a promoter of that group for more than 15 years. Never once did I feel intimidated or “brainwashed”. I got involved, stayed involved and gave my life to that ministry because I believed they knew the truth.

Over time, the humans who ran the ministry quit listening to God and in so doing ran the group into the ground. By 1986 it was time for me to go and I did. No one stopped me and no one threatened me or my family.

Because I was a part of a so called “cult”, I am overly sensitive to criticism of groups or ministries that are slapped with that ugly title. Of course there are insidious cults out there which do brainwash their members and promote devilish things. These groups should be shut down for legal reasons and the people freed from manipulative mind control practices.

But, just because a group, ministry or denomination believes things that do not agree with your theology, that does not make them an evil organization which must be destroyed and blasphemed. We must always remember that according to the Jews, the church of the First Century was indeed a “sect” or cult. Because of this, Paul and the apostles were harassed and persecuted constantly by the Jews most places they went.

Countless well known denominations within Christianity were started by one person who felt they received special revelation from God regarding a subject or branch of theology. In time, the groups these people started either withered away, died when the founder died, became strong ministries or became a cult.

Because I spent so many years in a so called "cult", I am very sensitive when a group or ministry is attacked just because they don’t believe what others within Christianity believe is the truth. With each passing year of my life, I grow less and less bitter about the fifteen years I spent in that ministry. I would never go back, but with time I see they did know a lot of truth.

When I was young, I went with a friend to his church where the preacher spent the whole service blasting the Roman Catholics as being terrible people due to their religion. For centuries Protestants and Catholics have looked at each other as being as evil cults. I happen to know that there are multitudes of saved Protestants and Catholics, just as there are multitudes of Protestants and Catholics who are not saved.

It truly saddens my heart that we have focused so much of our energy on attacking each other instead of reaching out to the unsaved of the world. Our mission is to take the Gospel of Jesus Christ to every person on earth. Our mission is NOT to belittle, tear down or spend all of our time condemning fellow Christians for not believing as we do.

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Posted: Sep 03 2012 05:39:24am by blessings2you+
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Author: Lum Patterson+
Posted Sep 03 2012 07:08:35am
  Amen to that, Brother b2y. When it comes down to it , every Christian denomination (religious grouping within a faith that has its own system of organization) is a cult (a group of people who share religious or spiritual beliefs, especially beliefs regarded by others as misguided, unorthodox, extremist, or false). I have found that within every division of the body there are children of God being led down the wrong path, either because of ego (believing that God revealed to the founder of their group, because of his great spirituality, how believers should think and live their lives) or a desire for power (establishing doctrine in order to exert control over the masses), has deceived them into believing a lie of the devil intent upon rendering the Church ineffective in this world. You are so right in saying that as born again believers we must put aside our prejudices and reach out in love, not condemnation, as we spread the gospel of Jesus. Great blog.
Yours in Christ, Lum

Author: kreynolds+
Posted Sep 03 2012 07:51:39am
  I agree with what both you and Lum have said. I grew up in a denomination which though it is not defined as being a cult struggled at times against becoming one. Unfortunately some would lose that struggle.

There are, within all groups, people who genuinely love and desire to follow Christ. We must also remember, as you said, that within these groups there are elements of truth. There usually are.

We must be very careful not to "attack" the believer. I think it is more effective for us to simply "preach Christ" through our words and actions. Your testimony demonstrates what happens when a person truly desires to follow Jesus Christ...they do.

Blessings!

K :princess:

Author: savedbyegrace+
Posted Sep 03 2012 07:53:43am
  B2Y,
Thanks for writing this. I must say that in the past year, I was dismayed and appalled at my church's behavior toward another Christian denomination. You see, many of us attended the wedding of the daughter of long-standing members. We had all watched the bride grow up since elementary school. She was marrying someone who was Roman Catholic. Well, some members of our church declined to attend because she was marrying a Catholic. Those who did attend, did so to show support for the parents.

On the bride's side of the church, best I could see, I was the only one kneeling in prayer to the Lord as the priest led us in prayer. A friend sitting next to me followed my lead and knelt the first time, but refused to do so the next time. Don't know if her husband nudged her or what. My mind was screaming, we're praying to Jesus, for cryin' out loud! I wanted to rebuke everyone and ask them if they heard a single word come from the priest's mouth that didn't declare Jesus as Lord.

Well, now, eight months later, and the bride and groom are divorcing. But I'm still upset and distressed by the behavior of my church.

B2Y, do you have a working definition of "cult" to give us any guidance? Because there are cults out there, as you say.


Gracie

Author: blessings2you+
Posted Sep 03 2012 08:23:46am
  This is a word that despite its simple Webster definition, is twisted and turned into whatever someone wants it to be to fit their agenda.

According to Webster's Dictionary, cult means:

formal religious veneration : worship

a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also: its body of adherents

a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also: its body of adherents

It is that third definition that provides the launching pad for defining just about any group a cult if so desired.

Although every one said the group I was in was a cult, looking back I don't think it was. We followed the teaching of one man, but most groups do that too. It is a vague term and one open to very liberal definitions.

Hope this helps.

B2Y

Author: kreynolds+
Posted Sep 03 2012 11:24:53am
  As B2Y said, it is a vague term and one open to very liberal definitions. We often forget about the first two definitions which B2Y mentioned and I am glad he did for even the third one could be applied to any group that is not considered to be "mainstream" by a large percentage of the population. A Catholic could could consider a Baptist a member of a "cult" and yet the Baptist church is considered to be Christian.

There are a couple of "red flags" to consider when contemplating whether or not to join a group. I'm listing a few that come to mind, Gracie although this list is not exhaustive nor does meeting only one thing on this list necessarily make a group a "cult".

1. Does the group recognize the deity of Jesus Christ?

2. Does the group exalt the writings of the leader/leaders above the Word of God?

3. How does the group react toward the questions of members? Are they hostile and demand that you accept everything without question or do they welcome questions? If someone demands you accept without question their interpretation of the Word of God, that should be a red flag. I'm not saying their interpretation is wrong but Jesus welcomed questions. I believe a true minister/teacher of the Gospel does this as well.

4. Does the group promote separatism and isolation? I'm not talking about merely suggesting that you distance yourself from people who have a bad influence on you. Sometimes we must do that for our own well-being. This is when the group insists that you completely break off all communication with family or friends who are not members of the group.

5. Does the leader demand absolute blind allegiance to them? I'm not talking about allegiance to God here, I'm talking about allegiance to them!

6. How do they view marriage and family structure. This is important. God gave us the model for this. Cults often seek to weaken the marriage bond between a man and a woman as well as the bond between their children. I'm not saying that communal living means it is a cult. What I am saying is that a cult will often try to subversively break down the family structure for good reason. They are trying to transfer the loyalty and responsibility we feel for our families to that of the group, particularly the leader. It is not uncommon in cults for the leader to dictate who marries who as well as where you live and who you live with.

As you can see, the purpose of this is to attempt to destroy individuality, the family and to eventually create absolute allegiance to the group leader rather than to God. A "cult" in the sense that we are using the word generally seeks to deify the leader as well. Often it does not start out that way but all too often that is the end result. Sigh... those of us who are old enough remember Jonestown and that is a very good example.

These are only a few guidelines to consider and hopefully this helps as well.

K :princess:

Author: iraqivetsgtret+
Posted Sep 03 2012 07:55:21am
  thank you for your encouragement. i'm this way i pray for people who are different in many ways from me. last time i checked they are souls too and being a "fisher of men" dont mean to get the smallest net possible".. I listen to Christian radio and podcasts online and studied the bible with pastors and teachers who are "not from my denomination/church and have been encouraged and strengthened in the daily challenges of life as I be about "my father's business" be blessed

Author: Billy Beard+
Posted Sep 03 2012 02:33:59pm
  My idea of a 'cult' is very much as K :princess: replied above. I would add that they view their particular group as exclusive. Meaning that they will teach that one can only fully please God, or be 'saved to the uttermost' if one is a member of their sect, or cult. One is saved to the uttermost, only through Jesus Christ. To appear as if they are inclusive, they may teach that one can be saved apart from them, but they will not please God as well, or reach the level that they will.

Some will say that biblical christianity itself is a cult, in that sense. But I believe that one can see that we are not nearly as exclusive as those who would say that. Any church, or sect, or cult, that believes and teaches that they have Gods highest favor, even the name of Christ exclusively among themselves, personally I view as a cult. I think most scholars among christianity would teach the same. They will be exclusive.

The body of Christ is universal. Not exclusive. Just my little part. God Bless. Thanks for the blog.

Author: kreynolds+
Posted Sep 03 2012 03:43:53pm
 
although this list is not exhaustive nor does meeting only one thing on this list necessarily make a group a "cult".


Upon re-reading what I wrote here, I wanted to highlight this point. Actually a group can have one or more of these elements and yet not be a "cult" according to what many Christians think of when they think of the word "cult".

Yes, exclusivity can be an indicator of a cult but that doesn't mean it is. If you look carefully at most denominations or sects they really do teach exclusivity. They may not use those words but they do. I had friends growing up who were Catholic, Lutheran and Greek Orthodox. Some of these friends were not permitted to attend any sort of function at a different church for their parents believed it was sinful to do so. If you didn't attend your own church, it was one thing but if you attended another... it was a sin. That's exclusivity and those are all considered mainstream Christian churches.

I think the single most important factor is the how a group views Jesus Christ and whether or not they exalt their doctrine or writings above the Word of God. It is my opinion though that #1 and #2 are not simply red flags.

It is my opinion that any group which denies the deity of Jesus Christ is not Christian simply because they are denying who Jesus himself said He was. How can you be really be a follower of Christ if you disbelieve who He said He was for you are in essence saying that He is a liar?

Author: Hoyle Waylan Dabbs, Sr.+
Posted Sep 03 2012 03:31:37pm
  This is really good teaching brother B2Y. I pray every eye seeing it have been Holy Spirit enlightened through it.

Blessings,
Tch

Author: freewithchrist
Posted Sep 07 2012 02:36:58pm
  I believe the simplest response to this is,"You will know them by their fruits", by their spirit of Christ or of antichrist. Unfortunately, it is man's nature to make others look bad so that we ourselves look greater, ...at least in our own eyes. Grace

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