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Feelings the Spirit

I know we want to experience God. I’m desperate for the fullness of His presence. I want to see Him and hear from Him. I read all the wonderful stories of the patriarchs and their experiences with God and desire the same.

I was excited in the early days. I deeply desired to hear from Him. I opened my ”spiritual” ears, prayed, fasted and purified myself though obedience. Yet, I was disappointed. I had some feelings but no audible voice.

I think my expectations were too high. I read all the stories of the Bible and heard about others’ experiences. This encouraged and mislead me.

Yet now I realize the Bible stories are compressed over time. And many personally told stories are exaggerated.

The Bible records the miraculous. So we conclude it should be that way. Yet God was working with major players under extraordinary events. The time line is compressed so you don’t understand for example that Moses was in Midian for 40 years before the burning bush. Nothing is recorded, just 40 years of work and life. This is common.

There were also a large number of Jews in Egypt waiting. There is no recording of God revealing Himself to the individuals. Of course He may have done things with individuals but who knows?

The New Testament records many miraculous events. But time is compressed and relatively speaking these events are sprinkled over a large period of time and divided amongst many Christians. Also, it is important to note that this was a unique time in History; The birth of the Church.

This gives context to understanding and gives needed balance to what to we should expect. It is unrealistic to expect God to speak through a burning bush and raise the dead through me daily. It is more likely that it would be rare and sprinkled over a life time.

With out-of-whack expectations a lot of manifesting (inventing things) has occurred. We interpret feelings as God speaking and have regular prophesies from “God.” We develop such an expectation that we begin to do things that were never directed by God to do, believing we are being obedient to the “revelation.”

Also, we begin to doubt stories of others. I have found in the zeal of many, there is great exaggeration. With exclamatory language stories are told, with exaggerations, leaving out information and sometimes adding some to make a “real cool” story designed to evoke “Wow!” But generally we are left to doubt or if we are gullible we retell the story with our twist.

I’ve personally become skeptical of most stories I hear from Christians. I’m less likely to believe a Christian than many non-Christians due to what I’ve mentioned. In our spiritual mode and desire we can be highly suggestible and fall into emotionalism.

With this misinformation distributed throughout the body it causes a lot of confusion and despondency. With the whole story untold and a few “amazing” events advertised we get the wrong idea. People think “Why doesn’t He speak me when others seem to have a hotline?”

Why doesn’t he speak to me? Why are there so many miraculous events in the Bible but not in my life? Our stories seem small. If you are not a personality that exaggerates and you’re a balanced person, you recognize the spiritual event but do not elaborate strangely, drawing attention to yourself.

So, I wish the exaggeration and hyper-spiritual communication would stop. This is so we can appreciate what God is really doing un-obscured by the fog of misinformation and exaggeration.

Now, God leads His people. The Holy Spirit resides in and guides each believer. It may not seem miraculous. He is using us in each gifting but It happens in seemingly ordinary ways. With the Word as our guide and full of the Spirit he uses us.

For example, when I direct someone in accord with the Bible as it relates to an individual. This may vary between teaching to the prophetic. Healing may occur through the laying on of hands or words that set people free from some mental/spiritual bondage.

It can seem rather ordinary. If you are regularly involved with people it doesn’t seem so miraculous. One event blurs to the next.

Visions, dreams, prophetic words, and a sense of the Holy Spirits leading can be managed responsibly. Each is measured by the Word of God. Then we still do not know for sure God is speaking. Maybe! I take these potential directings and hold them loosely. In time God may bring confirming events; Divine appointments, Divine events and other leadings.

With this in mind I may move in a certain direction. Even this is done with an awareness that it may not be God. In time I may have a greater sense of His directing by confirmations.

I have had spiritual dreams. They are not frequent. I can remember four over 23 years. They were all confirmed. But most weren’t any more than a dream.

I have been lead and had it confirmed also. In addition, I have been lead clearly and it lead to disaster, or at least from my perspective. God may see it differently. But all these had plenty of confirming information.

Many people I’m around have feelings and call it the Holy Spirit that cause havoc. They’re told to do what ”God has laid on their heart.” If they do not, God won’t direct them again. Not until they do it will He continue to speak to us. This causes a strange bondage to feelings and voices in the mind.

Others prophesy in Jesus name and send people on a rabbit trail.

We are subject to these mis-directions because we are eager for His leading and the miraculous, believing-without question-people who say they are speaking for God. Sometimes it is because we do not know God or the Bible well, think the miraculous should be happening regularly, and are convinced any random thought or feeling that seems spiritual is from God.

We have a lot of freedom in Christ. We can do what we want, acting in accordance with love for the advancement of His cause. And sometimes He directs us more specifically.

Perfect love casts out fear so we can be bold. It is like the Master who tells us to work in the field. We grab up an implement and go to work. If He wants something more specific or different He will show us. You do not have to worry or strain too hard. He’ll give all the direction and confirmations necessary for us to know.

The Holy Spirit is always directing even if it doesn’t seem exciting or powerful. But it is always real and never conjured.

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Posted: May 10 2012 12:52:45am by clifrad+
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Author: arisensleeper+
Posted May 10 2012 06:36:49am
  Dear brother, You and I are similar in many ways. I teach full time at a Christian University, pastor a small church, and work with the downtrodden and outcasts of society in the streets of my city. However, it is with some sadness that I read your blog. Although I can agree with much of some things you say, I cannot agree with your assessment of the claims of Scripture. Let me begin with the areas in which I am in agreement:

First, I have always said that unless we can hear God in the still small voice, we cannot see Him in the burning bush. Many Christians today rely on the heightened and immediate feelings and experience as their primary means of knowing God. This is also true of society around us. We live a "right now" society, patience and waiting have been lost. Moreover, the 'right now' has to be stupendous and spectacular. Just look at the popularity of the vast majority of the entertainment programs on TV today. Like the people of Israel, we have bought lock-stock-and-barrel into the culture of the sensational. Like the early church, as attested to in the letters of Paul, we are still yoked with the world out of which we have been called. Many of us have not "died" to the old self and even after years after coming to Christ still need milk and heightened experience. There is a callousness of spirit hardened by the world and that hardness has not yet been take away, so much so that we still crave and need heightened feelings and experience for us to experience God.

I am currently writing a blog series entitled "Determining God's Will - A Very Real and Attainable Thing". In the second part of this series I wrote about the role of feelings in our experience of God, I would recommend that you read it. In Part 1 of the series, I wrote,
When we develop a life that is dedicated to God and seek Him daily and often, we develop a "God Sensitivity".

Far too many of us have simply not spent enough time in scripture, prayer, and communion with the Holy Spirit to learn to sense His everlasting presence in our daily walk. Am I suggesting that I am there myself? No. But I do think that I am a little closer than most and while my fire may small, it may yet be useful to some.

Perhaps this is why there are so many charlatans around us, preying on our need for the sensational and perhaps why so many have fallen prey, living their Christian life from one heightened experience to another, attending healing and prophetic conferences and services one after the other, craving them like addicts crave drugs. Perhaps so many of our main stream churches have turned their worship into carefully scripted productions seeking to hold on to and attract a hardened people for whom nothing short of Hollywood would penetrate their sense of having been in the presence of God. Little do they know that unless they have the millions of dollars to expend that Hollywood commands, theirs will always be a poor shade by comparison. Worse, little do they realize that all they may be doing is further hardening the shell that keeps their people from a true and full experience of God.
(continued)

Author: arisensleeper+
Posted May 10 2012 07:38:13am
  You are right dear brother when you say:
The Holy Spirit is always directing even if it doesn't seem exciting or powerful. But it is always real and never conjured.

Hence, I fully agree with you in much of what you have written. I also agree that many Christians fail to realize that the Bible is written over a long duration and the events are spread over extended periods. Moreover, I am in agreement that when God works spectacularly and often, it is always in key periods and moments when He deemed it necessary. Also, I think we underestimate what would happen if God revealed Himself fully and constantly to us. Moses fell on his face, the prophets declared that they would die, they cried as Isiah, "Woe is me, for I am a man of unclean lips!" (Isaiah 6:5)

Nevertheless, I cannot agree with you when you say:
Yet now I realize the Bible stories are compressed over time. And many personally told stories are exaggerated.
and I grieve when you declare:
I've personally become skeptical of most stories I hear from Christians. I'm less likely to believe a Christian than many non-Christians due to what I've mentioned.

Dear brother, God's Word is inspired by the Holy Spirit, God breathed and directed. Please be careful what you declare. If indeed you believe (and teach) that the personal stories in the Bible exaggerated, what then can we believe? Where do we draw the line? Which stories are exaggerated and which ones are not? It is a dangerous line to walk my friend. The divine inspiration of the Word means that God caused the Scriptures to be written exactly as He intends for them to be written even though He did not take over the personality and literary styles or abilities of the authors. Hence while Isaiah is considered by many as the Shakespeare of the Hebrew Old Testament, Amos' writing is crude by comparison, and whereas the prose of Luke and Paul are refined and masterly in Greek as compared to others, they all wrote exactly the messages that God intended. My friend and brother in Christ, Scripture is either God's Word to us exactly as He intends or not at all. There is no middle ground. If there is error, it is in us ... in our translation, in our interpretation, and in our failure to fully grasp the context of their writing. Never in Him.

Furthermore, while I can agree that some Christians do exaggerate, I cannot in good conscience endorse such a cynical notion that one would take as to believe the fallen over the saved. By all means be discerning and understanding, by all means understand that perhaps their utterances may be coloured by the strength of their emotions, and by all means be wise to recognize that not all utterances by professing Christians may not be entirely truthful, but let us not be so cynical and lacking in grace as to make such sweeping and unkind generalizations. If we all took on your conclusion, witness the most powerful weapon given to us by our almighty God is rendered powerless!

Offered in love as iron sharpens iron.
Arisen

Author: clifrad+
Posted May 10 2012 10:45:41am
  Cool.

Yeah spending a lot of time with God is nice and a spiritual protection. But hearing God is another thing. It will only increase your hyper-suggestibility...you'll believe you are hearing even when your not.

Hearing God isn't a merit thing but a grace thing.

I think you misunderstood my comments about compression and exaggeration.

Exaggeration is from people not the Bible. The Bible never exaggerates actually it down plays some pretty amazing events.

Generalization that are based into truth important to assess for improvement.

It is strange that you think it is powerful to keep misunderstanding this issue and that being more careful to assess and discern would take away from witness.

The people I deal with have a tendency to see right through the malarchy. It is an asset to be sensible.

Thanks

Cliff



Thanks

Author: clifrad+
Posted May 10 2012 10:55:38am
  The problem with me is I have spent crazy amounts of time with Him. I did my 40 day fast...cha..cha..cha...6-8 hr prayer days for over two years

Looked in every nook and cranny...maybe it is sin in my life. lol I guess for some they will have to conclude this remember Job.



It isn't a merit thing but a grace thing.

Most of the patriarchs were simply chosen...the weren't Jewish Monks.

I'm easy...thanks for the talk.

Keep it real.

Thanks

Cliff

Author: arisensleeper+
Posted May 10 2012 05:29:54pm
  Dear brother spending a lot of time with God is not a "nice and spiritual protection" it is a necessary thing for our soul. You seem to suggest that those who spend time with God become "hyper-suggestive" as if spending time with God and learning to hear His still small voice makes a person somehow mentally incompetent. I hope this is not the case. Dear brother I work with the same kinds of people that you do and I daresay for a much longer span of time. Yes, they see through "malarchy" very quickly but they also see difference in a person truly sold out to Christ. Moreover "malarchy" also comes in the form of human sensibility devoid of the power and truth of God. I think that you may have had some very painful experiences that have given rise to such conclusions ... conclusions that defy the very exhortation of the Scripture that you seem to champion.

It is obvious that you have sought and did not hear God from your rather witty but cynical statement:
I have spent crazy amounts of time with Him. I did my 40 day fast...cha..cha..cha...6-8 hr prayer days for over two years

No brother, it may not be sin in your life, but perhaps you were listening for and expecting something else? Remember that God did not appear in the wind, fire, and earthquake but as a still small voice. Sometimes we are so intent on the burning bush and flames from heaven that we miss his gentle prod. Moreover, I am highly skeptical of ritualized 40-day Spiritual exercises and the like. God meets us where we are in our hearts. Since, you work with the same people I do, I am sure you may have told them the same thing I do, because I say, "You can fool your friends, you can fool us, you can even fool yourself, but you cannot fool God." It is my experience that it does not take 40 days of fasting to feel God's presence or "hear" His voice. Nor does it require ritualized prayers and endless hours of meditation. Yes brother it is a grace thing, God sees into the heart and responds!

In His love,
Arisen

Author: clifrad+
Posted May 10 2012 05:33:26pm
  Nothing painful.

But I hope you do not miss the point of the blog.

Thanks

cliff

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