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God's Spiritual Realm, Angels and Demons





 
God's spiritual realm, angels and demons
A study within the context of spiritual warfare

This may be a study few would embark on although many are curious. Exploring this topic, we may be tempted to seek apocryphal or extra-biblical sources of information (some may even read occult references). However, the references about the spiritual realm from the Bible are so ample there is little need to look elsewhere.

Studying God's Kingdom and angelic hosts helps us understand how the enemy is likely to operate. The evil hosts (including satan) are created beings. Although evil hosts operate with a will contrary to the plans and intentions of God, they were created as angels and hence have the same abilities and limitations as holy angels. Understanding holy angels gives us insight into the operation of fallen angels. What we learn about holy angels from the Bible can be applied in contrast to evil hosts.

God is Spirit
In the first place, God Himself is Spirit. Jesus teaches us this (John 4:24). We cannot accept that God is Spirit without accepting that there is a spiritual realm. The Bible is so full of references to the spiritual realm that we simply cannot rationalise it away.

God created the spiritual realm and the angelic hosts
As the Creator of the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1), everything in existence whether seen or unseen (or yet to be discovered) is made by God (Colossians 1:16; Nehemiah 9:6). All things were made by God's Word of command (Psalm 33:6) and this includes every angelic being (Psalm 148:2, 5). Angels are also referred to as the "sons of God" (Job 1:6). Please note that this is plural and distinguished from the singular "Son of God". Other Biblical designations for angels include "morning stars" (Job 38:7) and a more general term, "hosts" is often assigned (e.g. Genesis 2:1; Nehemiah 9:6; Luke 2:13). In Biblical imagery, "stars" is also used to symbolise angels (Revelation 12:4).

The Bible doesn’t tell us exactly when angels were created but we can reasonably assume that it occurred before the creation of earth since it is written in the Book of Job that the angelic hosts were already present to "shout for joy" when the foundations of the earth were laid (Job 38:4-7). We may have become accustomed to using the word "angel" to denote a benevolent spirit or person even but the Bible uses the word rather generically and an angel can be either Holy or evil (see Matthew 25:41 and Revelation 12:7).

Angels are spiritual beings and they are innumerable
Angels are spiritual beings and they are sent out by God to help us and minister to us (Psalm 91:11-12; Hebrews 1:14); we don’t command them. Their numbers are regarded as innumerable (Hebrews 12:22; Daniel 7:10). With some 300 references to angels in the Bible, the accounts of angels are too numerous to list. However, it is interesting to note that with the exception of one account in Zechariah 5:9, angels always appear in male form, sometimes resembling normal men (see Genesis 18 – "three men"). There are no biblical references of angels resembling babies with wings.

Angels are powerful but are not omnipotent, omniscient or omnipresent
As created beings, angels are of a slightly higher order than humans (Hebrews 2:7) and are of greater strength and might (Psalm 103:20; 2 Peter 2:11). There is no scriptural indication that angels have any ability to create or give life. Scripture refers to God solely as the Spirit of creation (Psalm 104:30) and of life (John 6:63) and resurrection (1 Peter 3:18). Angels are not omnipotent.

Angels have emotions (Job 38:7) and they take an interest in God's plan of salvation (1 Peter 1:12). They have knowledge of all things on earth (2 Samuel 14:20) and thus in all likelihood know more than humans although they are not omniscient as they do not know the timing of the end of the age (Matthew 24:36). We can reasonably assume that angels are intelligent beings.

It is suggested in Jacob's dream (Genesis 28:12) and inferred from Daniel's encounter with Gabriel that angels move freely between heaven and earth. They can be delayed from arriving at a destination, which means they can only be at one place at a time (Daniel 10:13). From this we surmise that an angel is not omnipresent although this does not preclude the constant presence of one angel or another among us.

It is generally accepted that angels are immortal (Luke 20:36); at least not in the sense of mortality as we know it but the Bible does also tells us that there will be a time of end for all fallen angels when they are cast into the Lake of Fire to suffer for eternity (Matthew 25:41; Revelation 20:14-15). Being immortal and having been created before the foundations of the earth, we can infer that angels are ancient and have observed mankind since Adam and Eve.

Angels are not to be worshiped
Holy angels do not accept or receive worship but will instead redirect worship towards God. We are not to worship angels (Revelation 19:10; 22:8-9; Colossians 2:18).

There are various angelic beings, ranks and roles
Although we are not given every detail, scriptural references depict enough about the heavenly order of spiritual beings to let us know loosely that angels have varying degrees of power and authority.

Seraphim and Cherubim
There are the Seraphim and Cherubim. Both are angelic creations bearing the resemblance of creatures rather than human form. Seraphim are described in Isaiah 6:2-3,6; Revelation 4:8 while Cherubim are described in Genesis 3:24; Ezekiel 10:17-20; 28:14; Revelation 4:6-9. Seraphim and Cherubim are also referred to as "living creatures" and we know they are distinguished from angels (Revelation 15:7). Scholars generally regard Seraphim and Cherubim as special category angelic beings. Some argue they belong to the highest order of celestial creations.

Archangels, Michael and Gabriel
The "Archangel" is also regarded as a special category. The title itself means "chief of angels" and it is used twice in the Bible (1 Thessalonians 4:16; Jude 1:9). The titles, "prince" or "chief prince" are also applied interchangeably to denote an Archangel (Dan. 10:13, 21; 12:1). Given that there is a chief or leader among angels it is not unreasonable to infer that there are at least two ranks among angels if not more. We also know from scripture that there is more than one Archangel (Daniel 10:13). However, Michael is the only angel specifically named in the Bible as an Archangel or chief prince (Jude 1:9; Daniel 10:13). Gabriel whose name means "champion of God" is also traditionally considered to be an Archangel although he is not specifically named as one. Gabriel and Michael are the only names of holy angels given to us in the Bible. Apocryphal texts name more.

Principalities, Powers, Thrones and Dominions
We learn from various passages that there are distinguished classifications of angelic hosts. There are principalities, powers, thrones and dominions (Ephesians 3:10; Colossians 1:16; 1 Peter 3:22). Referring to the enemy, Paul also uses these same classifications in Ephesians 6:12 suggesting that the enemy's ranks are organised in very much the same way as God's heavenly hosts. There is no real agreement among commentators as to how the hierarchical ranking of the angelic realm is actually organised but we don't really have to worry about that. It suffices just to note simply that they are ordered.

Territorial domains
Many texts about spiritual warfare mention "territorial spirits". While this term is not specifically used in the Bible, many authors construe mention of the prince of Persia and the prince of Greece (Daniel 10:13, 20) as biblical basis to suggest territorial assignments of angels. It is also generally agreed that the Archangel Michael has charge over Israel and its people (Daniel 10:21; 12:1). Therefore it would seem that both Holy and evil hosts have assignment over (and may even contend for) geographical territories and presumably, both the princes of Persia and Greece mentioned in Daniel are archangels. All this about territorial spirits is however speculative.

Satan is an angel that rebelled, God did not create satan
We can stress emphatically that God did not create evil. The account in Genesis tells us that when God completed creation of the heavens, the earth and all the hosts - He declared it all "very good" (Genesis 1:31, 2:1-3). From this premise, some scholars deduce that the fall of Lucifer must have occurred some time between the completion of creation and The Temptation in the Garden.

There is general consensus that Lucifer became satan when he fell. The passages in Ezekiel 28:12-17 and Isaiah 14:12-15 are understood as portrayals of satan. Reading them, we get a picture that Lucifer was created beautiful and perfect in his ways till inequity was found in him (Ezekiel 28:15). He was also created full of wisdom but this same wisdom was corrupted when he desired to elevate himself above God (Ezekiel 28:17; Isaiah 14:13-14). The passage in Isaiah describes Lucifer’s corruption and the five "I wills" expressed confirms that Lucifer has freedom of will and by his own free will, chose to rebel. Consequently, he was cast down from Heaven, becoming an adversary of God. Jesus also relates His personal account of seeing satan cast down from Heaven in Luke 10:18 while Revelation 12:7-9 gives us yet another perspective of satan being cast out of Heaven. Having been cast down, satan directs his malice against mankind (Revelation 12:12).

God did not create evil and He did not create satan. Scripture clearly informs us that Lucifer fell and became satan. I think it would be a great error to suggest in any way that God created satan as a purposeful adversary. This would amount to suggesting that God is an ally of satan and by extension imply that God not only planned evil but is Himself the master behind all evil. I shudder to even mention such a notion but yet it is not uncommon for many to entertain the subtle misdirection that God being creator of all things must have also created satan – there is a 'yes' and 'no' there that is critical to distinguish.

A host of angels fell along with satan and they are the demons we battle against
It is a widely held belief that satan took a third of the angels with him when he fell (Revelation 12:4). We can be sure that the devil directs angels under him. Jesus Himself reveals this when He tells us about the everlasting fire that has been prepared for "the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41). We find further confirmation in Revelation 12:7 where we have a depiction of the war in Heaven with Michael and his angels warring against satan and his angels.

We also discover that these same angels of satan are the evil spirits responsible for demonizing people. In His speech and responses, our Lord seamlessly interchanges the name satan, demons, evil spirits and enemy as a matter of course (Matthew 12: 22-29; Luke 10:17-20; Luke 13:10-16). The most telling passage is from Luke 10:17-20 when the seventy returned with the jubilant report that even demons were subject to them in Jesus' name. Immediately Jesus recounts His witness of satan falling from Heaven, He gives them authority over the enemy but also cautions them not to rejoice that spirits are subject to them but rather because their names have been written in Heaven. Jesus could not have been ignorant of the origin of demons. It is quite conclusive that fallen angels are the same evil spirits that Jesus cast out of the oppressed. The Bible is clear that the demonic spirits that bind and oppress men are of the devil. (e.g. Luke 4:35; 13:16).

Everything in the Spiritual Realm comes under subjection to Christ
By now if consider Jesus' statement that, "My Kingdom is not of this world…" (John 18:26) it becomes apparent that He was referring to the Spiritual Kingdom. Scripture establishes that this Spiritual Kingdom is created by God. Jesus has disarmed the powers of satan and all principalities, powers, angels and authorities are subject to Him (Colossians 2:15; 2:10; 1 Peter 3:22; Ephesians 1:20-22). The Spiritual Kingdom belongs to Jesus and He is King (John 18:37). Everything comes under subjection to Jesus (Philippians 2:9-11) - one Kingdom, one King.

Although we are bound to this earth by our flesh during our lifetimes, Christians are spiritually citizens of The Kingdom. The Bible tells us we are rescued from the powers of darkness and conveyed into Jesus' Kingdom. This is found in Colossians 1:13-14 and as we read on we learn that this is the spiritual Kingdom that is created by and is subject to Jesus (Colossians 1:16-18). We are conveyed into this Kingdom by faith and we are qualified as children of God (John 1:11-12); we are heirs (James 2:5); kings and priests (Revelation 1:5-6). Under the authority of Jesus, we will someday judge angels (1 Corinthians 6:3) - isn't that just incredible!?

Concluding remarks
We have covered far more than is necessary for supporting an understanding of spiritual warfare. However, since we were already on the subject of angels, I thought we could indulge it a little (and I got carried away). The object of this study was to show that angels are (among other things) innumerable, organised, powerful, knowledgeable, intelligent and ancient. Angels are, by default of God’s creative intent, more powerful than humans (Hebrews 2:7; Psalm 103:20; 2 Peter 2:11). Having observed us since the time of creation, angels innately understand human behaviour. Evil angels are equipped with these same abilities but with malicious intent against mankind.

We need to have an informed respect for our enemy. Yet we also know that angels are limited by God Himself and if He is for us, no evil angel can be against us. We are also assured that God's Holy angels are sent to watch over us (Psalm 91:9-12). We cannot fight this enemy with our flesh. We can only confront the enemy with Jesus in us. Our authority against evil hosts is given to us by Jesus and this authority is exercised in His name only (Mark 16:17; Luke 10:17). Without Jesus we are really no match against angels and we should always remember that resisting the devil begins with submission to God (James 4:7).

In the next entry we will study what the Bible tells us about how we may be influenced by the spiritual realm and consider whether a Christian can be possessed by a demon. After that, we will get into the more practical aspects of spiritual warfare.

Link to next blog in this series: Basic foundations about the origin of sin & evil
Link to previous blog in this series: The Basics About Spiritual Warfare - What every believer should know


Bibliography
Hammond, Frank. Demons & Deliverance in the Ministry of Jesus. Impact Books, 1991.
Horrobin, Peter. Healing through Deliverance: The Foundation of Deliverance Ministry. Sovereign World, 1991.
Kraft, Charles H. Defeating Dark Angels: Breaking demonic oppression in the Believer’s life. Vine Books, 1992.
MacNutt, Francis. Deliverance from Evil Spirits: A Practical Manual. Chosen Books, 1995.
Murphy, Ed. The Handbook for Spiritual Warfare. Thomas Nelson, 1992.
Wagner, C. Peter, ed. Territorial Spirits: Insight Into Strategic Level Spiritual Warfare & Intercession. Sovereign World, 1991

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K Reynolds+ (@kreynolds)
Jun 11 2009 03:28:06am
  Doulos,

This was very good, informative and laid out very well.

You wrote:
God did not create evil and He did not create satan. Scripture clearly informs us that Lucifer fell and became satan. I think it would be a great error to suggest in any way that God created satan as a purposeful adversary. This would amount to suggesting that God is an ally of satan and by extension imply that God not only planned evil but is Himself the master behind all evil.
I really liked how you wrote this as I think it explains things very clearly. I realize this misconception out there and I shudder at it as well. This also shows the difference in the fall of Lucifer and the fall of man in that in the former there was no tempter involved enticing him to rebel against God. It all came from within himself. No wonder he is the father of lies!

Blessings!

K :princess:


Kirk m+ (@blessings2you)
Jun 11 2009 05:31:17am
  Excellent and simple presentation of one of the most difficult and hotly debated topics in the Bible.

As completely logical and simple as this is, there are many who do not believe in the pretense of Lucifer's fall and the whole idea of there being demons etc. However tragic this is, and it is devastatingly tragic, it pales in comparison to the spiritual catastrophe found in the belief that God somehow created evil and Satan. Of all the horrible misconceptions about God, I can think of none further from the truth than this. God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.

I feel compelled to say that at times due to my study of this field for nearly 40 years that I forget there are multitudes of Christians out there with zero knowledge of this realm. I feel so badly for them because without an understanding of the spiritual realm there are no answers to a multiplicity of perplexing questions and there is no ability to deal with the onslaught of attacks orchestrated by someone or something. The unfortunate truth is that unless a believer is armed with the truth regarding this whole realm, they will inevitably end up blaming GOD for all the bad things that happen in life, with death being the biggest one.

I have met so very many people who blame God for taking their spouse, child or friend. I have known so many people who blame God for making them sick, giving them cancer, allowing them to be in a horrific accident or being a victim of a crime. This breaks my heart for God is not responsible for anything evil and He most certainly does not kill people.

Thank you dear brother for the incredible amount of work it takes to put this together and present it in such a systematic and simple manner. May God richly bless you for your labor of love.

B2Y


Art Schnatterly (@aliveintheword)
Jun 11 2009 07:15:37am
  Doulos, I second the comments of Brother B2Y. This is simply excellent.. well researched, exemely well written. As you've pointed out so well, to understand all of the wonders (including those not so good) in God's creation, we need to examine all of scripture. Like God's creation of the physical universe, God's Word, the Holy Bible, is an integrated whole. We learn so much from individual passages, we understand God's magnificence as we put it all together. B2Y said: I feel compelled to say that at times due to my study of this field for nearly 40 years that I forget there are multitudes of Christians out there with zero knowledge of this realm. I feel so badly for them because without an understanding of the spiritual realm there are no answers to a multiplicity of perplexing questions and there is no ability to deal with the onslaught of attacks orchestrated by someone or something. I've been among those who've had limited knowledge. Your great work is opening my eyes. My time reading and pondering these words are an investment, not an expenditure. I've borrowed from this to answer some questions I've raised about Genesis 3 concerning the origin of evil, with reference, of course. Fabulous contribution, Doulos! You've opened my eyes a good deal. Thank you. Shalom, Art Alive in The Word


Michael Frederick (@michaelf)
Jun 11 2009 07:21:07pm
  Doulos, You observations about angels, demons, and Satan are very insightful. Have you ever read CS Lewis and the Screwtape Letters? From my own experiences battling Satan and his demons, I feel Srewtape Letters captures the subtle intent of demons to undermine our faith in ways we barely suspect. Satan and his demons broadcast violence, sensuality, evil desires, greed, selfishness through the air waves (the worst elements of Internet, television, radio are some visible, tangible examples of the wiles of the angel of the power of the air). Satan was given a limited time frame of a time, times, and half a time to rule over the beastly world kingdoms. Satan is now very dangerous, because he knows his time is short (Revelation 12:12). Eat the flesh of the Son of Man (the Word) and drink His blood (the Holy Spirit, Living Water, Bread of Life) flowing within and under the body of the Word (John 6:53). The Word living in us and abiding in the living Word of God is the best way to battle Satan and his forces. When we abide in the light (Christ) and the light lives in us, we have all the authority needed, by faith. Those in Christ HAVE this authority to overcome Satan and bind his evil spirits (Luke 10:19), but this doesn't help us if we don't know it; claim it (1John 4:4)! We will need even more spiritual wisdom and knowledge as the the Great Tribulation period draws very very near, all Christians will have to be ready to stand against these evil forces and resist taking the Mark of the beast. Thanks for getting us thinking and talking from Scripture about spiritual warfare. Peace in Yeshua, Michael


Joyce Bethy Ferguson+ (@bethy)
Jun 12 2009 01:15:02am
  Wow, I have just read this, and i am in awe at the Glory and majesty of God in all that he has created. You pointed out that
Although we are bound to this earth by our flesh during our lifetimes, Christians are spiritually citizens of The Kingdom. The Bible tells us we are rescued from the powers of darkness and conveyed into Jesus' Kingdom
... I have to say, to be reminded of this truth today has made my soul literally leap in my body. I am sitting here in amazement at what my God has done!


T Sia+ (@doulos)
Jun 12 2009 12:54:37pm
  I'm actually having fun with this study (I'm geeky that way). I did hope to keep things simple and involve everyone in a process of discovering what is in the Bible about spiritual warfare. So when someone responds with feedback that it is in simple terms, I sigh with relief. Thank you ptl2008, K:princess: and B2Y for the feedback. Thank you also for stressing again that God didn't create evil, we can't stress that enough! And as you rightly remind us, B2Y, God is light and in Him there is no darkness. Amen!

Art, you always put points across in plain terms and your writings are continuously uplifting as well as informative. I am learning much! We are blessed you are here to encourage us and build us up. Thank you so much also for your lead in getting us thinking about the OT.

And Bethy, you write some of the funniest, touching and inspiring blogs. I enjoy your entries! Your humorous observations of life perfectly balanced with insightful analogy to Spiritual truths are gems.

Michaelf, you said so much so well. I have only come across The Screwtape Letters in the notes and references of books but I've not read it. With this prompting, I think it will be a title I have to pick up.

I am deeply appreciative of everyone's comments. God bless you all...


Rhonda jones (@blackrose65)
Jun 13 2009 11:23:30am
  very interesting discussion... however- we must pay attention to translations here... Psalm8:4-5... the word angels here is "Elohim" in the Hebrew.. which is another name for God- and we are made in His image and likeness- Gen. 1:28, Gen 2:7 (the notes in my amplified bible tell me that translates from the Hebrew as "a speaking Spirit") furthermore, we dominion over angels. 1Corinthians 6:3 -- we judge angels, if we are lower than angels than we cannot judge them... that is out of order in the Kingdom. something to think about...


Rhonda jones (@blackrose65)
Jun 13 2009 11:27:43am
  sorry... didn't read the full text..I'm big on people knowing, understanding, and exercising their authority here in the earth... we are to be as my bishop puts' it the "spiritual police force" on the earth... I tend to emphasize this principle... knowing that there are SO many THAT are clueless to their spiritual authority... Kenneth Hagin Sr. wrote a great book on that... be blessed.


T Sia+ (@doulos)
Jun 14 2009 04:15:19am
  Blackrose,
I think B2Y said that it is hard to get into this subject without opening cans of worms and I didn't manage to slip one by you!

1 Corinthians 6:3: Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?

I don't know how saints would judge angels. In context, commentators would explain that Paul was saying that if saints were going to judge the world and also angels, then we should be able to sort out our minor disputes with godly counsel and not have to resort to litigation. Although that part about judging angels is something that Paul says in passing only, it is plainly asserted. He offers no further explanation and it is one of the intriguing portions of scripture that challenge theologians. There is an apparent paradox that we can't judge angels if we are lower than them. Anyway, Paul doesn't make it clear either which angels he is referring to. One possible explanation is that he is referring to the fallen angels. The word "angel" is generic after all and includes all the hosts whether fallen or elect. We do know that angels are to be judged (2 Peter 2:4; Jude 1:6) and the judge is Jesus (John 5:22, 27). We find that we have authority given to us by Jesus (Luke 10:19; Matthew 16:19; 18:18). We also know there is a time when saints take possession of the Kingdom (Daniel 7:22) and Jesus also tells His disciples that they who have followed him will sit in thrones of judgement (Matthew 19:28; Luke 22:30). While no one verse offers a direct explanation, I suppose we could put those together for a plausible one - there will be a time when saints inheriting the kingdom will also be given authority under Jesus to judge and this jurisdiction extends to the fallen angels also. Alternatively, we can simply accept what Paul plainly says... Frankly, I don't quite understand how we would judge angels but while I am still looking for an answer, I am simply accepting it in faith. It won't affect my salvation anyway. So, no biggie...?

As for your point about Psalm 8:4-5, I quoted Hebrews 2:7 . Anyway, I quickly checked the concordance and found that it is simply "anggelos" (Strong's G32) or "angel". I think Paul intended to use the word to simply mean "angel" and I believe he knew what he was saying when he quoted Psalm 8:4-5. I also looked in the concordance for the translation of "angel" in Psalm 8:4-5. As you point out, it is "Elohim"(Strong's H430). Now I am not a Hebrew scholar but I am given to understand that the prefix or suffix to a word can change its use and meaning. According to the concordance, the word can also be used to just mean an "angel" and in this case, I think that is the intention. Interestingly, angels have names ending in "el" e.g Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, Uriel etc. In basic form, "El" is the Hebrew word for "god". Its root meaning is "strength, power and might".

Anyway, that was fun... I appreciate your very sharp observations and I don't mind clarifying stuff or admitting I am uncertain or wrong when I am... We will get around to talking about our authority as Christians for sure... I'm big on that too!

Thank you also PK, for your comment and for stressing the point that angels have free wills. You are also right that we don't need the help of satan and his cohorts to be sinful.

Blessings to all...


Michael Frederick (@michaelf)
Jun 17 2009 04:33:48pm
  Man WAS created a little lower than the angels, until Christ became a man (Yeshua, Jesus); by taking on the form of man Yeshua elevated all men and women (who believe in His name, make Him Lord of their life) ABOVE the angels, who are servants and messengers; we also are lifted up to be called sons of God and daughters of God by faith in Yeshua (John 1:12-13). Christ Yeshua came in the flesh to overcome sin, death, Satan, and the world. By doing so, we who are baptized in Him were buried with Him in His death (Romans 6:3; Galatians 3:27); and if we share in His suffering and join Christ in His death, then we will also share in His glory and resurrection (Romans 6:3-5). Heb 1:1 The Letter to the Hebrews God, having in the past spoken to the fathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, Heb 1:2 has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds. Heb 1:3 His Son is the radiance of his glory, the very image of his substance, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself made purification for our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Heb 1:4 having become so much better than the angels, as he has inherited a more excellent name than they have. Heb 1:5 For to which of the angels did he say at any time, âYou are my Son. Today have I become your father?â[1] and again, âI will be to him a Father, and he will be to me a Son?â[2] Heb 1:6 Again, when he brings in the firstborn into the world he says, âLet all the angels of God worship him.â Heb 1:7 Of the angels he says, âWho makes his angels winds, and his servants a flame of fire.â[3] Heb 1:8 But of the Son he says, âYour throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your Kingdom. Heb 1:9 You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows.â[4] Heb 1:10 And, âYou, Lord, in the beginning, laid the foundation of the earth. The heavens are the works of your hands. Heb 1:11 They will perish, but you continue. They all will grow old like a garment does. Heb 1:12 As a mantle, you will roll them up, and they will be changed; but you are the same. Your years will not fail.â[5] Heb 1:13 But which of the angels has he told at any time, âSit at my right hand, until I make your enemies the footstool of your feet?â[6] Heb 1:14 Arenât they all serving spirits, sent out to do service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation? Peace in Yeshua, Michael


Linda young (@savedbyegrace)
Jun 30 2009 07:37:16am
  Wow! I missed this the first time around while I was on vacation sans internet. Glad to see it again. As I was reading the comments and neared the bottom, my thought to post a comment was to suggest that anyone/everyone read The Screwtape Letters. While written as a "fictional" account, I did read it many years ago and it really opened my eyes to some truths I may never have thought of before. But I see Michael already suggested that so I have nothing to add except a second to Michael's suggestion and to add my thanks to you for this great blog.


Ruth Papalii (@deanna)
Jul 02 2009 05:01:39am
  In Gods word it says those who see Angels have salvation I cannot remember which scripture it is in though maybe oneday it would be revealed. but commenting to doulos in how we judge Angels is I had two experiences when I was seeing Angels. I believe this could be what it is meant by judging them, not for their sins because the Angels I believe do not sin, now only the demons sin. I believe we judge them on not rescueing us at certain times I will reveal a bad experience I went through and how I heard the Angels arguing with one another they were not swearing or angry or abusive but they were arguing normally. when I was sexually violated at a very young age and my virginity was stolen when I was at primary school I was singing to the Lord songs I knew from sundayschool the guy kept saying to me shutup do not sing those songs he said it very evil looking and angry at me, so I stopped but as he was going up and down on me I started singing in my mind the same songs than I actually heard these three Angels, first I heard the Angel lady crying! and crying! she just could not stop crying, the two male Angels said to the woman Angel no use crying now look at her, look what she is going through look what you have put her through. I actually felt more sorry for the Angel that was crying than myself because of the other two Angels telling her off so much than I heard the woman Angel saying to me just relax you will not feel much pain if you just relax so I started listening to her and I got through it. That was actually hard for me to share but I just pray it touches some one if it is to help someone else than it is not a waste of time sharing it. Another time I had just returned from Samoa when I had lost my husband in suicide we were only married for (1 month). I was having trouble with my dad at home being to controlling over me so I wanted to get away this dear lady from radio rehema rang me her name was Christen and we talked she said would you and your son like a break and come and stay with a friend for a few days, so I said yes. It was quite a long way from my house over the motorways anyway she was a very old lady this dear christian woman so myself and my son stayed with her. I said I will just go up the road for awhile but than I ended up getting lost and frustrated, I was still angry at that time for my husband taking his life, so I started steering my car towards the wall on the motorway than I swreaved the car back. I stopped at this motorway and went in a garage I said to the shop keeper I am lost and my boy is with an old lady a stranger, I do not even know where he is? than these two tall man walked in and started argueing with one another again, one said I told you she would commit suicide, than the other Angel said but she did not did she. than the Angel said to me I will direct you where to go you follow me to the lights he kept looking back to make sure I was following him. I followed him to the lights he pointed me to turn and go straight all the way I was remembering houses and all sorts of signs, I do not know how but I found where the house was it was definetly Angels.


Author: Grey Warner
Posted Oct 26 2012 09:36:29pm
  These must be very painful memories to not only recall but share. I am so very sorry you have had to go through them. I am thankful for your heart.


Grey Warner (@day2day)
Oct 26 2012 10:04:27pm
  I was a little intimidated (ok a lot) to read the extensive blog at 1am in the morning......but I do find the topic very interesting...I decided i would tackle it one paragraph at a time... Thoughts as I read through... -I never knew there was a female angel(s) referenced in the Bible -I never thought about angels being immortal in the sense that the same angels that were present at the beginning of the world are the same angels today...not that I thought they died...I just never thought about it...That sounds dumb...of course they are the same angels...yes, I just knew the fact but never gave it much THOUGHT...Oh what they must have witnessed over these years!...interesting -I wonder what the purpose of having various ranks amongst the angels is? I believe there is, just wonder why? why not make them all michaels? if they receive orders from the Lord, what is the purpose of greater and lesser angels...just wondering...hmmm... -Principalities, Powers, Thrones and Dominions ..I never knew these were ranks of angels! -I guess i've always thought angels were created for to worship the Lord and to do His bidding regarding mankind...you mention they were created with free will (like man)...interesting...again, i wonder why? what would be the point? the need? VERY VERY interesting! -My mind is wandering now...if angels have free will and Satan was cast with so many other angels...had they been thinking their thoughts against the Lord for awhile...were they discussing amongst themselves their displeasure? Surely the Lord would have been aware of this...just wondering how long between Satan and the fallen angels (while still holy angels) were thinking these thoughts before they were actually cast out...immediate? -Why would we judge angels? What is there to judge about them? I guess they are capable of sin if they are capable to revolt against the Lord (greed/envy) as with Satan and the fallen angels? Who are we to judge them? If they can sin, why would they not be able to be forgiven? This is a very curious topic Is it back to we would judge fallen angels only? But then isn't mankind "fallen" as well? I guess I feel like we would be the pot calling the kettle black... -If angels are to watch over us can they intervene? Just rambling thoughts as I read through your blog...lots to think about! I GREATLY appreciate the time it must have taken to research and again, it is a very interesting subject to me. Have you ever read the Frank Peretti fictional series "This Present Darkness"...interesting as he tries to help us visualize spiritual warfare among us... Praise the Lord and what wonders we do not even realize or can conceive! Thanks Again!



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