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Image the pleasure of God the Father, if we simply accepted creation as an absolute Truth and evolution as it refers specifically to the creation of the world as False.
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Posted 02/17/2009 08:32am
Author: greybear
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Thank you for your comment. When my children were young, I loved how they considered every word out of my mouth as being the truth. My children are all adults now and I am glad they have learned to search for the truth. I believe that God is also pleased to have His children search His written Word for the truth. I believe every word in the Bible is true but it is our understanding of God's Word which I have concerns about. When I look in a mirror I can imagine my spirit was created in the image and after the likeness of God. After all, God is a Spirit. However, as far as my physical body goes, I cannot see it as being created in the image and after the likeness of God. I can imagine my body as looking similar to an ape, which is no surprise since our bodies have 98.5 percent of the same genes as an ape.
If our physical bodies were created in the image and after the likeness of God, why did Jesus have to take on the image of a man when He came to earth? Why would He not have already been in our image?
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Posted 02/17/2009 04:02pm
Author: faithful777
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faithful777 - your line of thought is very unnerving and gives me the spiritual willies...
You know what happens when you remove the 1.5 percent of the DNA from a human that is not in the ape, you get a dead human and not an ape... .are you aware that in every cloning case that no human can be clone because the cell replication stops when the critical DNA formation should begin... if you try to cross clone animal and human cells, the cell also stops... we're not descendants from apes or any other creature or plant or bird and we are in God's image. You seem to be holding on to the ape fact a bit strongly. Do you think God could not just create the world as we know it? Is God to small??? If he could move a micro organism from one cell to a man, why would he bother to do so? Wouldn't such a creator just create each one unique and fully, as we know them? By the way I still am waiting on the complete fossil record of any macro-evolution creature of any kind...
The Rainbow Marble Problem
The rainbow marble factory says they sell marbles in every color of the rainbow... but when I purchased a barrel of them and begin to pull out one marble at a time...I found red ones, green ones, yellow ones, orange ones, but no blue ones... when I called the factory back they said "trust us they are in their", so I went back to my barrel of marbles... again I found red ones, green ones, yellow ones, orange ones, but no blue ones...again I called and this time I asked if anyone had ever found a blue one, to which they said, well no, but they are in there, just trust us... again I went back to the barrel and again I found red ones, green ones, yellow ones, orange ones, but no blue ones... at this point I have a choice to make, are their blue ones or not? I say no, when they can show me a blue one then I'll believe it, but you know what... .there are still no blue ones . . . not even to date...
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Posted 02/18/2009 09:10am
Author: greybear
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Greybear - Thank you for your comment. I do think God could have created the world as we know it in an instant without there being evolution. All things are possible with God. However, according to the majority of the greatest scientific minds alive today, God chose another method. I also believe the Bible supports a God-based evolution. Don't you believe God could have chosen any way He wanted to create man? I think we should agree to disagree and end our discussion. Only those who want to know, will know. Those who just want to prove others wrong, are already wrong.
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Posted 02/18/2009 04:31pm
Author: faithful777
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Actually not so great... see as you are asking to be open minded about the blend of evolution(macro) and creation, these same "great mind are closed to any idea that God had anything to do with it, well actually that there was even a God at all. I would recommend a site that may bring about a few questions of it's own. Check it out and maybe make the trip down to see the museum and meet and speak with Dr Carl Baugh. I think you'll find that the folks Dr. Baugh works with are in fact the greatest minds on the face of the planet . . . . ok maybe that is stretching it, but I wouldn't call the boys over at NASA chopped liver.
Creation Evidence Museum
Did you know they uncovered dinosaur foot prints and human foot prints in the same rock formation. (I and my family have seen these) A rock that solidifies in a very very short amount of time. And the foot print match yours and mine and not any "apeman"...very good stuff.
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Posted 02/19/2009 07:12am
Author: greybear
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So, you are admitting your wrong faithful777 ??
I ask that because it sure seems to me, when I read your blogs, that you are one of those "if you don't believe what I believe, your wrong" kind of guys...
But, hey, it might just be me (shrugs)
~ John
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Posted 02/19/2009 07:24am
Author: abelajohnb
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Greybear - Thank you for your comment. There are great minds on both sides of the creation/evolution debate. I did not say they were all on the side of evolution. I said that the majority of the greatest scientific minds that live today believe in evolution. Dr. Carl Baugh is a brilliant scientist whose work I have been familiar with for many years. If you ask Dr. Baugh if the majority of his colleagues at NASA believe in creation or evolution, what do you think he would say? As far as the dinosaur footprints and human footprints being in the same rock formation, I am also familiar with that. I have also followed some of the debate concerning the footprints. I try my best to keep an open mind and look at both sides of the debate. You seem to take what I write and turn it around to mean something other than what I intended. Why don't you answer any of my questions? Please consider answering at least this one thing: If our physical bodies were created in the image and after the likeness of God, why did Jesus have to take on the image of a man when He came to earth? Why wouldn't He have already been in our image? If you ask any more questions, I would prefer to answer those based on what I have written in my blogs.
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Posted 02/19/2009 03:54pm
Author: faithful777
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Abelajohnb - Thank you for your comment. Yes, I admit being wrong. I am wrong every time my opinions don't let me examine evidence with an open mind. What about you? Have you ever let your held opinions blur your objectivity? For instance, when you ready my blogs, can you honestly say that your held opinions did not influence what you thought about them? All I am saying is that we all need to be aware that our opinions try to close our minds, and we should do the best we can to keep them open. I don't want to goat anyone into an argument. I just want to answer any questions concerning my blogs to the best of my ability. If I have written anything that has hurt anyone I apologize.
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Posted 02/19/2009 04:01pm
Author: faithful777
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Honestly i kinda agree with you. I've researched evolution and divine creation and have struggled with those two concepts for long periods of time almost to the point of deep depression. i honestly think the church should not be so freaked out by the word evolution. I don't know what i believe. The thing is God could have created man any way he wanted to. The thing is a lot of people thing the account of creation in the first chapter of genesis is an alagory. its written in a poetic way and its very symbolic. The second account of the creation of man just says that god fashioned man out of the dust of the earth and breathed his lifeinto him. the only thing that differs between man and animal is the breath of god in man. Thats the only difference and both ideas, evolution or divine creation fit into the scenario. i think the church should not be so torn on this concept. Its something that in all regards doesn't really matter to christianity in a really big way. God does things the way he wants to. its like when the church during pauls days were fighting over eating meat and not eating meat. this is the same type of thing. thats all i got to say.
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Posted 06/20/2009 11:17pm
Author: zkoehn
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zkoehn
Thank you for your thoughtful comments. I agree with all that you have written. If more people in the church would believe as you commented, maybe we wouldn't lose so many of our young people to the world when they feel the pressure to choose between the church and science.
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Posted 06/23/2009 03:46pm
Author: faithful777
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