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A recent blog (which fortunately was removed from public view) reminded me of the long time, growing movement to silence christians within the political arena. This form of attack; and I do call it an attack, comes in many different facets and angles but contains several basic elements. It holds, first of all, the premise that society becomes more enlightened and that over time social norms naturally change as they are expanded and re-defined and, therefore, no longer need fall under the religious, or spiritual context on which they were founded.

Let me address this premise first. I agee that many of our cherished institutions are expanding and changing in definition (marriage for example). The flaw in this point is that it is no point at all. A change in definition does not intrinsically (in and of itself) mean that it is right or good for society. Nor does it mean, as some argue, that I am spiritually, morally, legally, or constitutionally obligated to accept it as an American and a Christian.

Secondly, the tactic of raising the 'doctrine' of 'The Separation of Church and State' is often brought up in an effort to prevent christians from organizing politically and, worst of all, from expressing our faith publically. Unfortunately, this has become almost exclusively a legal battle with many cases often going before The Supreme Court. But some have been won in favor of the cristian plaintiff or defendant. The important thing to note is that this phrase, "Separation of Church and State" is not contained within The Constitution but is part of a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to a church in response to some questions they had. His response to them does not even resemble the application that we see today and this phrase does not carry "Constitutional" weight. Within our Bill of Rights, contained in The Constitution, The First Amendment reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof... " This right is clearly designed to limit the government, not the christian. Regarding our faith we have the constitutional right to "peacably assemble", "freedom of speech", and "the free exercise thereof".

The third tactic is to attack us as christians on a personal level. We are described as "close minded" or "right-wing extremists". There is the attempt to use our own faith against us. If we really believed in forgiveness we would be more tolerant of others and, therfore, we are intolerant when we speak out against certain behavior. We are told we should not be judgemental. The application of this argument is that we are told we have no right to tell anyone else what they can and cannot do and are being hypocritical if we do. It's an interesting argument whose only logical outcome is anarchy. "In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes.", Judges 17:6. That type of approach destroys any society.

All these arguments imply that if our opposition to any ballot intiative dealing with behavior were based on a different ethical system we would have 'the right'; but because it is based on God's Word we do not have 'the right'. This makes no sense whatsoever. It is discriminatory and, therefore, intolerant and close-minded. We are told we must stand idly by and let society take it's course. But the truth is that we as Americans have the Constitutionally given right and obligation to "tell" (freedom of speech, 1st Amendment) and the right and obligation to "tell others what they can and cannot do" through the power of our vote (15th Amendment) and through organizing ourselves. The truth is that we as Christians have the God-given right and obligation to confront any brother or sister in sin, Matthew 18:15-17. We have the right and obligation to voice ourselves in love and respect and take The Stand against any human behaviour that would bring harm to ourselves, our country, and, most importantly, our children.

Never be afraid to take your stand publically, politically, or in any other form.

For our children, God bless them and protect them.

In Him,

Ben

posted: 07/02/2009 05:32am by galahad
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we're still under attack... and the 'doctrine' of the separation of church and state is not doctrine at all! This idea that christians have been bashed in the head with is a corruption of a private letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to some of his friends, that were of a different stripe of christianity than the president that took office after Jefferson, and there was a concern that the president in question would try to institute a national religion- and jefferson's response in the letter states that there "is a dividing wall, a separation of church and state".. here is the actual text that has twisted the socio-political landscape of our nation since 1947- the year it was taken out of context...

  Posted 07/02/2009 09:54am
Author: blackrose65

sorry... couldn't post the link to wallbuilders.com search for jefferson's letters and read the letters to the danbury baptists and you will get the text of the controversial letters...

  Posted 07/02/2009 09:57am
Author: blackrose65

Somehow we come to do something. I begin to make moral demand of someone who I think should act better and I have a 'to-do' list for that person. I find that perhaps that what that person does is just wrong and misled. And I forgot entirely that everyone needs Christ! Government is not heaven, they need Christ like any example of anyone we would think needs Christ. Those here, all need Christ. I come short. We begin to make demands, moral, or social even ethical, but we supplant the truth that all individuals, us including, and all intitutions created by man by men

need Christ have come short of the approval of God. I had begun to be critical of some who I thought thought less of me or nothing at all. But my kind God, helped and told me and said, "They are not perfect, just forgiven... !" And when I think about my government and or leaders, even my fellows, when has God given me license to make demands on them, or it government. Every one will bow and give account of himself, myself!...

But I pray for my fellows and government and leaders that God grants them peace and favor to deal with their problem, because their problems are not so different from mine and may be the same and God I don't think loves me more than he does anybody else because he says that he is not a respecter of persons and will reward everyone according to their own works...

thbg

  Posted 08/11/2009 08:07am
Author: tohimbeglory

Ben,

I missed this the first time around. I'm glad it resurfaced.

We are under attack. Even the Judeo-Christian foundations of our country are being denied by revisionist history. That 1st Amendment is being eroded... if we allow it.

Shalom,

Art

  Posted 08/11/2009 12:06pm
Author: aliveintheword

Good post and sound advice, Galahad. Thanks for being a Christian first and an American second!

  Posted 08/11/2009 12:42pm
Author: debradoo

Ben,
Thank you soo much for this blog. It has enlightened me. I have struggled trying to articulate my political views as a christian because of the reasons you have just stated. It is good to know you are here on CB, expressing these things, so others can learn and take a stand with you.

Thank you,

EstherAngel

  Posted 08/11/2009 03:11pm
Author: estherangel

I hate politics! i don't like the whole idea of choosing sides. people get more enraged over political views that they do about anything else that gets discussed. poor vs rich ,black vs white, homosexuals vs hetrosexuals, republican vs. democrat... ..our battle is not against flesh and blood. i look upon the lost with sympathy, they are doomed for hell and they need to know the truth. but politicians are not the answer... Jesus Is! we must stand up for what we believe but we must never stand against people in general. i trust that God can turn the hearts of men and through prayer and love we can reach those lost. but that is just what i feel. i do so appreciate your opinion also. it reminds us that we must be a part of this process and we must rise above the name calling and bitterness and love those who hate you. thanks ben for making us think

  Posted 08/11/2009 06:48pm
Author: dpinnell5

Wonderful post Ben! Thank you for the information. I was only awake enough in history, civil rights class etc long enough to pass, so I didn't learn much at all. As an adult who hates politics I tend to ignore these things until it is time to make a decision and deal with it then. It's good though, to have it on the forefront of my mind.

I agree with many of the comments here, but mostly with Dpinnell5 when she says
our battle is not against flesh and blood. i look upon the lost with sympathy, they are doomed for hell and they need to know the truth. but politicians are not the answer... Jesus Is!


God bless!

Sara

  Posted 08/15/2009 06:58pm
Author: oneofhisown

Thank you for all of your comments. I certainly agree with dpinnell5 and oneofhisown. I believe our country is in moral decay at practically all levels of society. This is definately spiritual warfare taking place. I am by no means suggesting that politics or politicians are the answer. Only faith and the power of God are. What I am suggesting is that taking our Stand for battle in this spiritual war can lead us into the political arena to fight it. As I said in my ending remark of this blog... this fight is for our children as much as ourselves. I have never been a parent; but I would not be surprised to find that those of you who are parents have taken some physical measures along with prayer and faith to protect your children and your physical home from invasion and from evil. Voting for what is righteous and taking a political stand is another tool along those lines. Don't fall into the trap of thinking you are powerless in the political arena. As Christians we are powerful in any arena God leads us to and in the use of all tools placed in our hands to fight for righteousness.

"For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds." 2 Corinthians 10:4

  Posted 08/16/2009 12:14pm
Author: galahad

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