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Recently, I was asked a lot of questions by a person who believes in "sola scriptura". What was evident from the chatlog was:

-asking questions without waiting for the answer
-refusing to define her terms
-claiming that she had superior knowledge of the topic
-cornering me into a black and white "yes" or "no" answer
-repeating the same question in various ways
-taking control of the questions instead of engaging in dialog
-rephrasing questions that still had the same answer
-demanding that I quote scripture and verse

As a result of not having my answers "received", I started to feel very tense and became defensive, then angry, and then fired up and then I felt like the Spirit was just taking control. It was an awful experience, I started to wonder what I was being threatened with as some of these questions were extremely personal and infringed upon all of my devotional beliefs and experiences. She was in territory that belonged to me. In my boundaries. And I wanted her out. Whenever someone is in my personal life, I interpret it to mean that I'm being threatened. And I'm still on edge wondering if this is the case.

I passed this chatlog to a friend who is a Jesus follower and she was horrified at how "judgmental" the "sola" person was being. All I knew was that I felt scared. This was a person with quite a bit of power over me and my ministry to influence other people's opinions. People on my ministry team started quoting verses about not judging. I learned all about not judging people and how I used to judge judgmental people when I led the "What's So Amazing About Grace" workshops at my church. My number one belligerent student was our pastor. Without his consent to bend, I was making no progress with anyone else in the class. He may have apologized for his own behavior on many occasions, but I don't think he saw how he was blocking other people who look to him for approval. They didn't know that he was apologizing. He failed me. He failed Grace. He failed his congregation. I tried not to fail him. It was hard but I never revealed his cards to the church. I kept them hidden so that his reputation would stay in tact.

But here is a woman dead set on getting to a truth that she can't possibly understand. And her attitude is the kind that sets people off from the church. I look in my heart and know that God needs me to disciple his followers. People who are starving for God find food when they talk to me. I can say that. I'm scared to - but this woman and others like her are pushing me out of the closet to be who they can attack. And I either have to sit on a cross crying all day or worry about the people who have been damaged by her. Jesus said, "Come unto me all ye who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest". I've got ways of taking loads off people's backs that people like her put on. I'm not helping anyone by staying silent.

So, you're probably wondering what she was drilling me about. Well, does it matter? She was trying to label me as a "mystic" because I once used the term to help explain why one of our native American followers sees Mary. I mentioned that he was a mystic and that I knew this because I was one too. But I don't see Mary. I see Jesus. And now that the Aboriginal boy is saved, he sees Jesus too. It takes all kinds in the church. It's a terrifying thing to have people assume that just because you have divine experiences that they must be from the devil. I thought the criteria was supposed to be fruit of the Spirit and the confession that "Christ is Lord"!

Is anyone still interested in Christ - even if you don't go to church?



posted: 11/23/2007 11:53am by gloryenoch
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First off let me say I didn't know there was an out of church category on here. Or maybe I did and just forgot. Anyways, thats awesome. I am loosely, and I do mean loosely, affiliated with a church. I definitely perk up when I see folks talking about being "out of church."

Perhaps that answers your last question first, but I want to add something else. Read George Barna's book Revolution. He details how their is a moving away from the current mainstream forms and functions of "church." There are many believers who are forsaking the comforts of our culture and moving out to the outer most parts of the world -- that includes the places in their own cities. Something is happening in the church.

As to the rest of your post. I got a bit confused in the paragraph that starts "I passed this chatlog to a friend..." I assume you are relating an experience you had at your church to the one you are/did have with this Sola lady.

I'm not sure you were asking for advice, so here's some unsolicited , if you are still having contact with this person you have two choices. Stay or go. If you go, no one will blame you. But if you stay, you are going to have to re-wire yourself. The laws of the spirit are not like the laws of physics. There can't be an action and an equal opposite reaction -- offense and defense in other words. If you want to win over this person you will have to let them win.

That last sentence needs some unpacking. You don't want to get into an intellectual battle. While you may win the logical fight, you may not gain their heart. So, you are trying to win this person's heart. Which means you fight and defend with your heart. Accept the (heart) truth this person poses to you, separate the good from the bad, let it change you into Christ. Take that which the enemy has fashioned for destruction and turn it into good. Many people who fight with their head, really want to know that the kernel of truth they possess is actually true. When you agree with that truth you usually nullify their attack and sometimes they get real open to hearing what you have to say. Usually folks just want to be heard and acknowledged.

Always remember, humans only possess fractions of truth. Only Christ embodies the whole truth. So what this means is that even this person falls short of the glory. Do not defend or attack for tat. Christ is much higher than our arguments. What this means is that if this person says that the scriptural standard is X, then chances are that the real Christ standard is much much higher. That may contradict, but we deal in a few scriptures, Christ is all scripture perfectly joined and fit together, working in harmony and balance. We are out of joint and out of balance.

And above all remember you are his. Be secure in him. Your defenses come out of insecurity. When we face Christ with all in our heart's gunk we have come to the most glorious moment and the most painful. All that is flawed gets exposed. All that is flesh dies. All that is failure gets covered in his blood of forgiveness, sanctification and holiness. Your greatest strength is your weakness. When you are weak he is strong.

Don't let this person get you down. You have life and in Christ. This is an opportunity to move and flow with him. The skirmishes we get in our small things compared to the battle he has already won.

Be blessed and enjoy life.

  Posted 11/24/2007 10:36am
Author: psalmthirtyseven

Psalmthirtyseven has given a brilliant response.

In some senses it's difficult to know exactly how to respond without knowing the people invoved more fully
or the differences being aired. The first thing that did strike me here though is the thought 'bullying'. Just
that simple. A lot of strong-charactered people can be very controlling and try and force their own
agenda on others.

Even if she were correct in her views, one should tell someone, then back off and allow them time and space
to think through things. Continually 'going at someone' is, as you correctly say impingeing on your right
to think through and decide... ..even God doesn't do that to us. We have choices.

The right influences are more 'caught' than 'taught'.
The best influences come from being with/around those who are living out a Godly lifestyle. Even in positions
of leadership.

The other thought which occurred to me is that it is possible that there could be an actual controlling spirit behind
this, in which case you are moving into the realms of spiritual warfare.

There are many aspects to consider here really. Discernment is paramount in order to know how to proceed.

Be blessed.

  Posted 05/06/2009 02:15pm
Author: patty

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