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A Pilgrims search for the Truth, the whole truth, and nothing BUT the truth

Before I start this, I want to point out that I am not against people. Brothers and sisters in the Lord are what it is all about. We are of the same Kingdom and need to recognize that more and more as the time draws near. If I offend anyone's sense of beliefs and purpose, please forgive me. It is not meant that way. Denominational strongholds are another matter however, and I do not care if I offend them.

For so many years now I have been taking in what is preached with no real testing of it's content. I have conducted my life like a lamb to the slaughter.
I should have learned this lesson 33 years ago, but alas I forgot it with time.

To keep this short on to the point, I would like write about where I have come to in my own walk, after many years of seeking and following in different churches.

For years I have listened to the 'expanded' version of the Word, based on whoever happened to be preaching at whichever church I was attending.

I can't tell you how many times I have heard a verse, or section of a verse read out loud, then Bible put down and the statement made that goes something like this: "and it does not mean just that, but it ALSO means..." and off they go with their own theories based on their denomination's institutional teaching.
I believe that the assumptive expansion of God's Word has caused more deception, pain, hurt, and dissension in the church today than anything else. (by 'church' in this case I mean the people of God, not the buildings or denominations).

I started out in a dispensational fundamentalist denomination that decided the work of the Spirit of God that came to pass at Pentacost, and was evident in the early church, was done away with by the advent of the King James Bible.
I found that to be presumptious, at the very least, ridiculous at best.
Was this when the translation was first penned? When it was first read? When it was first printed on Gutenberg's press? When it first sold on the shelves? and tell me all about revised versions and the 'New' King James Bible? Were those ones somehow more of a 'fulfillment', new and improved?
This expanded theory was used to throw out everything that the pentacostal churches believed. The basic idea among that denomination was that Pentacostal churches were demonic cults. I kid you not. I took a stand against that, and paid the price.
It is interesting how at least half, if not more, of those same people today believe the way I did 33 years ago, a young ignorant 17 year old teenage boy who just took the Bible literally.

Off and on since then I have been involved with the Pentacostal denominations of one flavor or another.
I am finally realizing that my lesson of so many years ago was not about particular beliefs in tongues, miracles and prophecy that were incorrect.
The lesson was about not expanding on the Word of God!

The expanded version in Pentacostal denominational circles leads to some interesting theories also. Their main premise is that when Jesus died on the cross to atone for our sin, which is clearly written in the Word He did not die only for our sin, but also for our healing and for our bank accounts.
This particular idea leads to the wildest theories you can imagine. Most of the ideas come from trying to explain away why it does not work.
Since the cross can't be blamed as not having done it's 'job', the blame must go elsewhere. The teachers take no blame of coarse, but put it on the people as having 'not enough faith', 'being in unbelief', that sort of thing.
This idea has also led to 'positive confession' which is just a version of witchcraft with a charismatic 'wrapper' on it. Chanting words for power and effect is far from new.
You will even hear statements such as: I do not have a cold, I just have symptoms coming on me to make me THINK I have a cold and make a negative confession. Mary Baker Eddy could not have said it better.
How foolish we can become with just a simple 'expanded' version of God's actual written Word?. By only one or two people the 'trickle down' effect of that expansive interpretation has had a huge global impact. Having a large impact does NOT make it right by the way. Truth is not democratic, being made true by a count of hands.
The pagan world around us knows that the symptoms you experience when fighting off a cold is evidence of your body healing itself. The higher temperature you run is there to kill the invader. The mucous is also there to kill the invader.
Rest, take it easy, (thank God, those of us who are Christian, for the healing He gave you, as we acknowledge Him in ALL our ways) and move on with your life. What load of hogwash is this about symptoms only being temptation to 'negative confession"?
Is it any wonder the world around us are not flocking to hear the 'Gospel' that preaches that the symptoms are just little 'demonic entities' of some sort, trying to tempt you into a negative confession? Please! God does tell us in His word that He gave us a sound mind. Claim THAT one before it is too late!

I will not even go into the prosperity aspect of the teaching. Life is too short and it is too ugly.

Since I did not get the chance to study at any of man's denominational institutes where all of this 'interpretation' seems to make sense, for this pilgrim there is only one answer: I will have to go by the written word only. If it is not specifically written, exactly how it is being preached, then do not preach it to me. My response will no longer be 'Amen', it will be 'Says who?'

Sincerely
Nathan

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Wow. I can certainly understand your frustration Nathan. It seems like you've had some unfortunate experiences when it comes to the teaching that you have witnessed. I do agree that "Truth is not democratic, being made true by a count of hands." I believe that truth is the Word of God, period. I am wondering however, what your limits on interpretation are. For example: Which version of the Bible are you reading? If the version that you're reading is not the very first one ever written, then it's already been interpreted many times over. "I will have to go by the written word only." This word, having been interpreted so many times before you are reading it, will then be interpreted by you, based on your spiritual condition, heartfelt concerns, life experience, personality, etc.

I'm not trying to be antagonistic. It really is terrible that many are distorting the Word; the Truth. It's just that your post made me think. How can we be sure that our interpretation is correct? It's obvious that those that distort the Truth think that their interpretation is correct. And we think that ours is correct. And we will all give an account when the time comes. I certainly agree that expanding and running off with our own story (adding to scripture) is crazy, but when one scripture means something different to three of us, how can we be sure who's correct?

Just a few thoughts bro. I really like what you wrote.

Shawn

  Posted 05/11/2009 07:28pm
Author: shawnm

Thank you for your input Shawn.
Yes, I agree about the interpretations. I was sounding absolute in my post, and I do realize there are no absolutes in areas like this.
I have a 4 version Bible I like to read, but as you say, each version is interpretive.
I do believe that to truly study the Word in depth you will have to get into both Greek and Hebrew. However, to be real for most of us that is not a likely option. There are help study Bibles that can get you a lot closer to the original however.

What I was trying to get at is taking the Word more literally and less institutionally. In other words, for a section of a verse to be taken out, quoted, and then 45 minutes of opinion preached on that section, is not what I accept anymore. I can't tell you how many times I have listened to a person preach for 45 minutes or more, with no more than 2 minutes (or less) of actual reading. I am starting to truly believe it should be the other way around.

In my own seeking of the truth of things I have joined a Messianic community and receive some of their devotionals and newsletters, including blogs and discussions. I have found them to be a refreshing change from what I am used to. They seem to have a very different approach than the rest of the world. Almost like we, and be we I mean the church today of Greco/Roman origin, love to go around theorizing, and discussing what we believe. The Messianic believer (and I am sure this is true of Jewish also, by nature) questions the Rabbi by asking "How do I DO this?" rather than "what do you think this means?" and when life issues are asked about, the reply is a lot more direct reading of the scripture only, and less opinion. Just my observation.

For me at least, I say that to preach on any certain subject or principle, let's read the entire passage and put it into context, no matter what version is being used. Lay the foundation of the passage, look at who it was talking to, what the conditions were, and exactly what it was addressing. Keep the preaching about that and that alone. If the preacher wants to apply it to something else in life, go to the passage where it actually says the 'something else' part and read that. If it means extended time in reading, that's ok, keep the opinion a lot shorter and we can go home in time for lunch. All teaching needed for us to live is in there and there alone. Institutional philosophy is not needed, and can do more harm than good.

Nathan

  Posted 05/12/2009 01:49am
Author: goodnews

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