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ETERNAL SECURITY / ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED

Jude 17-24

This is a doctrine that has taken over in most of the present churches. It is a doctrine that states that once you get saved, no matter what you do, you cannot go to hell. I will show why this is one of the most dangerous doctrines out there. I am not writing this to be "preachy" or to judge others or to make myself feel better than anyone else, it is simply to teach the truth. PLEASE READ THIS BLOG BEFORE YOU JUST DISMISS IT!

This is certainly not a doctrine that has been common in the past. This doctrine has taken root in our churches for one main reason: Americans would rather feel good than acknowledge the truth, and preachers would rather teach what sounds good, to draw people in, rather than teach the truth. Our churches have just followed the examples of the rest of our society. When you look around you these days, you will see that many people have chosen to discard personal responsibility. Instead of saying that someone or something is immoral, they say that "it's a disease" or "it's just genetic." People these days love to toy with evil and depravity. Our churches have followed this same type of thinking. It is much easier and feels much better to say that it doesn't matter what we do or how we act, all you have to do is say a prayer and you're going to heaven.

There is just one problem with this doctrine, the Bible totally contradicts it. First, let's look at the common scriptures that are used to argue for this doctrine:

John 6:37-40 says, "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of Him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which He hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of Him that sent me, that everyone which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day." Many construe this as eternal security because it says that all that come to Jesus, he will not cast out. This does not mean that he would never cast them out. What it means is that those that sincerely go to Jesus, seek Him and believe in Him, would not be cast out. You can clearly see that the scripture says that those that "believe on Him, may have everlasting life." There is certainly a condition placed there, just as in many other different scriptures. You see, faith must be accompanied by actions and behaviors.

But many say that because of these scriptures that simply say that you must believe to be saved, that is all that is required. Well, then if you stop believing, are you then not saved anymore? Because, the scriptures say that you must believe to be saved. What many make these scriptures to mean and what they actually mean are two different things. When the Bible talks about believing in these instances, it is talking about it as basically the same thing as faith. As I just eluded to, faith is not just simply a mental affirming, but it is a continuous decision and state of being. True faith cannot just be mental, but you must allow God to work the faith through your spirit. And if it is from your spirit, works will accompany it (Romans 6 / James 2:14-20).

There are also many scriptures in the New Testament that refer to salvation as a gift and that you cannot obtain it by works. This is totally true, of course, but it is also totally misconstrued. We need to look at the reasons why Paul wrote those things to the churches. The early Christians had been under the Mosaic Law for so long, they had a hard time understanding grace. There were reasons for the Mosaic Law, but it was really just there to teach people that they were sinners in the first place. Also, to teach them the penalty of sin, and how they should live, as well as other things. It was the precursor to Christ. This is why Jesus said in Mathew 5:17, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." Now look at the following verses, 18-20, where He shows us that we must still be righteous. Paul tried to tie both the law and grace together in Romans 8:4; Romans 13:8, 10; Galatians 5:14.

I could go on and on, but I want to just go over a few scriptures that make it evident that eternal security is a lie:

Hebrews 10:26-27 "For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation..." Can it really be any more clear than this? If we willfully live in sin, we will not be forgiven!

James 5:19-20 "My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover a multitude of sins." This is obviously



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I'm curious as to where John 3:16 fits into the scheme of things...

[bible]John 3:16[/bible]

God's word is infallible and I don't see any exceptions added to this passage.

Now I wouldn't even begin to pretend to know the heart of another to talk about a "false conversion", but God's word IS Truth.

I think it's important to include ALL of it when we begin a discussion. No judgment on your view, but all is not yet considered.

Thanks,
GreyBear

PS: Salvation does not require a maintenance package, Christ death & reserection covered the cost in full for all past, all present, and all future sin.

  Posted 12/27/2007 06:47am
Author: greybear

I refuse to debate - there is no love in debating.

I refuse to speak words that do not encourage - because that is the will of God.

Having said that, your theology is not even close to accurate EVEN form you own position.

If you could understand that Jesus settled the sin issue once and for all - then this would not be an argument.
We must get our eyes off of us and what we're doing and get them on Jesus and what he did.
That is the NEW Covenant.

Imagine thinking we could keep ourselves in His grace - how arrogant is that. He did it all, and is still doing it.

I am a new creature with an eternal spirit. My carnal mind doesn't always act like it but I am none the less created as Adam was - eternally God's.
What was lost in Adam is now restored in Jesus - perfect sinless union with the father. My spirit does not sin. That's just my mind, will and emotions refusing to agree with that eternally God that is within me.

My spirit is perfect! My soul is being perfected - and one day even my body will be perfect.

OK - now I'm preaching.

  Posted 12/27/2007 07:18am
Author: dougrea

When you leave a comment, feel free to show your opinions through SCRIPTURE. I have included numerous scriptures in my blog.

  Posted 12/27/2007 02:34pm
Author: miker

Sorry, much of my blog was cut off.

  Posted 12/27/2007 05:20pm
Author: miker

miker,

Your blog prompted me to do a little research. I ran across this article which I thought was written very well. The author indicates that the source of this doctrine is likely Manichaeanism, which was intentionally "a combination of Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, and Christianity." Apparently, Augustine introduced the concept into the Catholic church some time after converting from the heretical sect. Anyway, I thought you might enjoy reading it as it supports your case.

http://www.eternalsecurity.us/a_historical_examination.htm

God Bless,
-Slooper

  Posted 12/28/2007 08:03pm
Author: slooper

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