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"THE OLD MAN AND THE ME" by Netchaplain

Think of it, only Christians have a dichotomy, a dual-nature consisting of the old-man and the new-man. These aren't actually persons but parts of a person; they are natures of a person. The old nature we were born with and the new nature we were born-again with.

When Paul said "But now, [it is] no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me", I believe the "I" he is referring to is that part of him which is the new nature, which is "divine" (2Pe 1:4), "God's seed which remains in him" (1 Jn 3:9), the one born again. Paul's "no longer I" is that part "which cannot sin", this new nature which now makes up the majority of those "born again". The "born again" refers to us not the new nature. The new nature isn't a person, who can be born again, nor does it require regeneration because it's divine. This is why we aren't ruled by sin (Rom 6:12). We are no longer contaminated by its presence (Ro 7:17, 18, 20, 21), only affected not infected because the Spirit (most precious) by application of Christ's cross keeps sin, which is the old nature, in check , "so that you do not do the things that you wish" (Gal 5:17). This doesn't mean that we will not do wrong. His entire plan includes us being a part of evil so that we might learn the good (Gen 1:26, 3:22). What it does mean is that our wrongs are not willful (Num 15:28, 30; Heb 10:26) and without remorse. Through this "God works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure" (Phil 2:13).

It has been well said that "His blood procures our pardon from sin and His cross procures power over sin." This is why we (whether we realize it or not) "take up the cross daily"(Luk 9:23). We take it up and the Spirit applies it continually to the old nature. This is where our original nature remains crucified (Rom 6:6). We "are crucified with Christ" (Gal 2:20) but are not still on the cross but the old-man is. "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin" (Rom 6:6).

The prime objective is to always remember that the cross of Christ, in the life of those born-again, is the impetus against sin. Not our will power or struggles but what He has done vicariously for us and continues to do by us. Not we by Him but Him by us--big difference. He's using us, not we're using Him! This is also learned by realizing that since it's all vicarious, everything we have of Him in holiness, righteousness and justification are Christ s virtues and are imputed to us, not imparted (Jam 2:23).To impart would require becoming divine, which as we know, will always be reserved for God. We cannot become divine but can only vicariously have a part in it by being "partakers of the divine nature" (2Pe 1:4).

God causes us (Phil 2:13) to do everything by faith in Christ's work, nor ours. This allows us to always cast everything on Him (1Pe 5:7) by believing and reckoning that He causes "all things to work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose" (Rom 8:28). We can rest in this working of His because He does this regardless of our performance--right or wrong (His teaching tools). His workings are already foreknown and preset due to the vicarious works of Christ for us and not because we please or displease (in our learning) Him. He has already taken all of this into account, before the foundations of creation (Rom 8:29, 30)!

Posted: May 22 2011 08:06:22am by netchaplain
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Author: netchaplain
Posted May 23 2011 04:55:46am
  Hi Mike and God bless you and yours!

It is believed this could be that Paul was refering to his life prior to regeneration but numerous scriptrural conflicks exist. One is due to the fact that the Holy Spirit was in conflict with his old nature, which continues with all who are saved until our physical redemption. Plus his speech is in the present tense through the entirety of the seventh chapter. I also believe that Paul could not say, "it is no longer I doing the wrong" without the new nature, where the Spirit's workings originate from and come to us.

Thanks for your comment and may God's guidance continue in our lives concerning His word. God be blessed!

Author: netchaplain
Posted May 24 2011 03:27:00am
  I have found this about 1 John 1:8 to be helpful. Wishing you well!

If we say that we have no sin,... Notwithstanding believers are cleansed from their sins by the blood of Christ, yet they are not without sin; no man is without sin: this is not only true of all men, as they come into the world, being conceived in sin, and shapen in iniquity, and of all that are in a state of unregeneracy, and of God's elect, while in such a state, but even of all regenerated and sanctified persons in this life; as appears by the ingenuous confessions of sin made by the saints in all ages; by their complaints concerning it, and groans under it; by the continual war in them between flesh and spirit; and by their prayers for the discoveries of pardoning grace, and for the fresh application of Christ's blood for cleansing; by their remissness in the discharge of duty, and by their frequent slips and falls, and often backslidings: and though their sins are all pardoned, and they are justified from all things by the righteousness of Christ, yet they are not without sin; though they are freed from the guilt of sin, and are under no obligation to punishment on account of it, yet not from the being of it; their sins were indeed transferred from them to Christ, and he has bore them, and took them and put them away, and they are redeemed from them, and are acquitted, discharged, and pardoned, so that sin is not imputed to them, and God sees no iniquity in them in the article of justification; and also, their iniquities are caused to pass from them, as to the guilt of them, and are taken out of their sight, and they have no more conscience of them, having their hearts sprinkled and purged by the blood of Jesus, and are clear of all condemnation, the curse of the law, the wrath of God, or the second death, by reason of them; yet pardon of sin, and justification from it, though they take away the guilt of sin, and free from obligation to punishment, yet they do not take out the being of sin, or cause it to cease to act, or do not make sins cease to be sins, or change the nature of actions, of sinful ones, to make them harmless, innocent, or indifferent; the sins of believers are equally sins with other persons, are of the same kind and nature, and equally transgressions of the law, and many of them are attended with more aggravating circumstances, and are taken notice of by God, and resented by him, and for which he chastises his people in love: now though a believer may say that he has not this or that particular sin, or is not guilty of this or that sin, for he has the seeds of all sin in him, yet he cannot say he has no sin; and though he may truly say he shall have no sin, for in the other state the being and principle of sin will be removed, and the saints will be perfectly holy in themselves, yet he cannot, in this present life, say that he is without it. -John Gill

Author: netchaplain
Posted May 26 2011 12:20:43pm
  Mike, I like the way you concluded concerning to each his own, as long as we remember to match our beliefs and experiences to the Word; not match the Word to our beliefs and expierences.

Love You Bro.

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