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God's Wrath, God's Judgment Not Same Thing as Curses: Follow-up 1





 
Neither God's wrath nor God's judgment has come upon Haiti and its people. This is my conviction and belief. God's wrath and God's judgment will come at the end of the Age of The Church.

They are not the same thing as the principle of blessings and curses or the principle of sowing and reaping put into motion that is on-going when Adam and Eve sinned and man entered into rebellion toward God.

The purpose of this writing is to serve as follow-up to the blog I wrote titled: Blood Pact Sown and Watered, Harvests Curses - Remedy for Haiti's Plight. A primary goal of that blog was to look at remedy for Haiti's plight. I will address this further in a subsequent follow-up.

In this blog, discussion of God's wrath and God's judgment.

God's Wrath Now Abated During This "The Age of The Church"

***At the cross the enmity (hostility) between God and man was placed upon Jesus. Through the blood sacrifice of Jesus this enmity was quenched. God's wrath has been turned away from mankind until the end of The Age of The Church.

But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For He is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us. Having abolished in His flesh the enmity even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in Himself of twain one new man, so making peace; and that He might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby. Ephesians 2: 13-16

***We have been reconciled to God through the blood of Jesus.

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. Romans 5: 8-11

***Throughout this, the Age of The Church, we have been living under God's grace.

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men. Titus 2:11

Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. Romans 6:12-14

***God's wrath and God's vengeance is coming at the end of The Age of The Church as revealed in the Book of Revelation.

--God will avenge the saints (believers) in Christ with the sounding of the seven trumpets:

And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer, and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of the saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. Revelation 8: 2-6

--God's wrath poured out through the seven last vials (or bowls) of plagues:

And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels having the seven last plagues: for in them is filled up the wrath of God. Revelation 15: 1

Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. Revelation 16: 1

God's Judgment Still To Come

***God has committed all judgment to Jesus:

For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom He will. For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son. John 5: 21-22

***Day of wrath and revelation of judgment:

But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God. Romans 2:5

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2 Peter 3:7

(Angel) saying with a loud voice, fear God, and give glory to Him for the hour of His judgment is come: and worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. Revelation 14: 7

Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? For thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee: for thy judgments are made manifest. Revelation 15: 4

***God's wrath and God's judgments as referred to in the New Testament are not being executed during this The Age of The Church. Through the blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ, God, the Father, has set aside His wrath and judgments until the end of this age. ***

Pertaining To Haiti and Its People

Most certainly some of Haitian's people are believers and followers of Christ, and, as such, are not subject to God's wrath. God's wrath comes to destroy what is evil and believers in Christ do not and will not experience God's wrath. I stand on the belief that it is false to say what has happened and is happening in Haiti is an execution of God's wrath or God's judgment.

However, there is
On-going Interplay Between Good and Evil, Between Blessings and Curses

From my previous blog: Blood Pact Sown and Watered, Harvests Curses - Remedy for Haiti's Plight

When Adam and Eve committed the first sin, rebellion toward God by man had its beginnings. The tasting of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil put into motion interplay between good and evil. Included in this interplay are blessings and curses. I do not believe, as humans born with a nature to sin, we can fully understand nor fully explain how the interplay between good and evil operates.

Since the "world" lives in rebellion toward God, curses are commonplace. Specifically pertaining to this discussion; storms, tornados, hurricanes, earthquakes, tsunamis and volcanoes exist because of man's rebellion toward God. They do play a part in the interplay between good and evil.

The Holy Spirit put into my soul this simple understanding of the interplay between blessings and curses: "blessings follow after obedience and curses follow after disobedience."

Another way to say this is obedience toward God will attract blessings and disobedience will attract curses. Cause and effect: cause-disobedience toward God, effect-curses spring forth.

This is similar to the principle put into motion for all mankind concerning sowing and reaping. We must reap from what we have sown. You cannot reap blessings that come with obedience toward God when the seeds you have sown and watered are disobedience toward God. What you must reap are curses. God will not be mocked.

***The interplay between good and evil, blessings and curses, sowing and reaping will continue until the end of The Age of The Church until the day (time period) of God's wrath and judgments comes upon the earth.***

With love through Christ,
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Billy Beard+ (@billyb)
Feb 13 2010 09:43:34am
  Grace and mercy to you, my friend. The night is far spent, the dawn is coming! "God will not be mocked." So much that could be said, regarding the topics spoken of. So much we can not, or will not, understand. We live in a fallen condition, all the evil around us, is a result of that fall.

Christ Jesus came to redeem, we need only to believe in Him, and trust, follow, and obey Him, with all our heart. What horrible consequences will befall those who reject, ignore, and trample on that Holy, Precious blood that He shed. Grace and Mercy is available, now. The day is approaching that it will not be available for many. Christ is soon to return. God Bless, Sis, billy


Author: Dorothy von Lehe+
Posted Feb 14 2010 11:25:30am
  Thank you so much for your comments. So much can be said and so much we are not able to fully understand. Looking forward to the return of our Lord Jesus and the completion of our redemption.

God Bless you too, Bro, Dorothy


T Sia+ (@doulos)
Feb 14 2010 09:48:54pm
  I do agree with many of the things mentioned in the blog and as Christians we do need to understand that there is a principle of blessings and curses. Deuteronomy 28 is clear. However, I also think that we need to understand this teaching - which is a good hard teaching‚ - within the context of grace and not law. We may see it in the light of Jesus' work on the Cross and not as judgement upon others.

I would like to urge every reader to not be too hasty to conclude that sowing and reaping is cut and dried. It is not as if we may always readily attribute effects to causes. It is tempting to put God into a box and to inadvertently burden with the law rather than to show the way to freedom. I think this blog is trying to teach freedom but it may not always so readily understood or made clear.

The truth about curses is that we must never forget is that God does not want us to come under any. A truth about God's wrath is that He does not want to bring it upon us (Psalm 103:8; 148:5). He is merciful and slow to anger - however we also need to note here that although God is slow to anger, He does eventually get angry and He is capable of sending His wrath. Yet He would delay it and He does give us every opportunity to change our ways. If it were not so we would not read about God's bountiful mercy towards Israel; there would not be a Nineveh or Jonah; there would not be Peter or Paul. The list can go on about accounts of God's love, mercy and readiness to forgive.

We ought to recognise that the character of God is about intense love for His people yet there is fairness of judgement that is imposed once every other avenue towards grace is exhausted. Upon recognising both sides of the coin we can then choose our focus. We can choose to focus on grace or we can choose to focus on wrath.

If we focus on wrath then we risk becoming Bible bashing prophets of doom, gleefully wagging our fingers at the suffering proclaiming ‚‚¬‚Å "I told you so"‚‚¬ and justifying it theologically - which is possible to. It is possible because it is fact - but only one side of the coin. The fact also remains that bad things do happen to good Christians while the wicked would seem to be blessed (however temporarily). If our thinking is channelled towards a theology of judgement, wrath and curses we cannot help but think that good Christians who are suffering are responsible for bringing it upon themselves. We would think they must be reaping what they have sown but that would be rather judgmental, quite unkind and exactly what Job's friends were doing.

If it were about sowing and reaping then Job certainly did not deserve what he suffered. If obedience always brings about blessings then the saints of the Bible shouldn't get ill or ever suffer anything - but they did. If we reap all that we sow then we are all doomed because we are all sinners falling short. Also, we should not forget the instance in John 9 about the man who was blind from birth where Jesus taught His disciples that that case of blindness was neither due to the man's sins nor his parent's.

Wrong ideas about sowing and reaping could also send us towards the trap of legalism and performance Christianity - we may think that God owes us blessings for our obedience and thus perform for the wrong reasons. I am sure we all know obedient Christians who have become disillusioned because they thought God should have blessed them but instead they suffered some tragedy or loss. Sadly, there will also be some of us who secretly assume that they are suffering the reaping of a curse from some terrible sin they must be guilty of - now that, is truly tragic and judgmental.

If we assume that disobedience always results in curses, then we would make the reverse assumption that therefore, adversity is always due to sin (and judge those who are suffering). But as we saw from John 9, this logic is not Biblically supported.

Sometimes suffering, adversity and even illness are just simply trials that lead to the start of something good when we commit our trust to God (James 1:2-4, Romans 8:28, John 9:3). There has been many excellent blogs from writers like blessing2you and kreynolds that deal with the topic of adversity in a balanced and edifying manner. I think if we deal with the topic in a balanced way, we edify and encourage. We must not lead people down a rabbit hole of legalistic causation.

I guess what I am trying to say is that while there is truth about sowing and reaping, we need to be careful to avoid assuming it is a cut and dried cause and effect rule because it just doesn't work that way. Another issue about blessings and curses is that we often misinterpret blessings according to worldly rather than spiritual outlooks but that is another subject altogether.

Returning to the matter, we should choose to focus on the fact that God's desire is that we do not come under curses - so much that He sent His only Son to die for us and redeem us from every curse (Galatians 3:13). Jesus took up our sins for us so that we may be redeemed from every curse of the law ‚‚¬‚ every single one listed in Deuteronomy 28. Jesus is the remedy for all those things we do not want to reap despite what we may have sown. So, I think it would be far more beneficial to focus on Christ and offer the lost this very redemption we stand upon.

If we were to see with the heart of Jesus that is instilled in us by the Holy Spirit, we would see urgency, we would feel sadness for the loss of souls such as those in Haiti. We would see a harvest. We would simply see people needing the message of grace. Events such as Haiti should not be about curses or Divine judgement. Although we may all struggle with why such tragedies occur, we don't have to try to explain it. We can't fully understand it anyway - as was acknowledged in this blog entry. We are simply being challenged to trust God despite everything and through anything. I am not sure we are being much of either salt or light if we become too preoccupied with the 'why'. We don't have to try to justify God's actions for Him. We are simply called to love.

Thank you for this entry sister Revgenlink. Your blogs are always interesting.


Dorothy von Lehe+ (@revgenlink)
Feb 16 2010 12:43:18pm
  Doulos,

And, thank you brother for the time and effort you have put into commenting on this blog along with the understanding and insight you have added to this discussion. I am very grateful for your comments. And, as expressed, I do not find anything in your comments I disagree with. Thus, I wish to allow your comments to stand as you wrote them with the hope that readers will gain more insight and increased understanding.

Regarding my original blog. It is interesting how people interpret what it is you are trying to say. I think that is the problem with written communication. If we were in an across the table discussion with each other, hopefully, it would be easier to get at the pure intent of what is being expressed. In another follow up the focus will be on remedy for Haiti's plight.

On blogs that I have read which you have commented on, I have found your comments to be well done. I respect your wisdom, knowledge and understanding that i believe only comes from Spiritual discernment put into us through the work of the Holy Spirit.

revgenlink


Jennifer C (@bondslave)
Feb 23 2010 06:17:51pm
  In Haiti, a man who was 27 days in the rubble was rescued. They asked how he had survived for so long without food and water. He said, "Everyday the man in white came and gave me water." However, he wasn't aware that the man was Jesus. I believe this is a call for evangelizing. Also, the nation of Haiti has requested The Call to come and do a three-day prayer and fasting conference.


Author: Anita Sorensen
Posted Feb 27 2010 12:59:54pm
  Bondslave, if you get this reply to your comment, you might want to read my blog on "Vodou...Voodoo...Christian What Say You?"

It mentions what the nation of Haiti as a whole calls the 3 day prayer and fasting that you mention in your reply. Haiti has been the subject of evangelizing for MANY years...it is perhaps the 'facts' of the research that more or less explains why God will not be mocked. And why He is a God still to be reckoned with.

Through all this and any other devastating circumstance, He will protect those that He knows their hearts are pure, plain and simple. He created the earth, so He can control it any way He wants. Prayerfully we never forget this.

Many continued blessings, 2G


Author: Jennifer C
Posted Mar 02 2010 12:31:05pm
  Hi 2G! :)

I guess I don't fully understand what you're saying. I skimmed the blog your wrote and it did give a good history on the nation of Haiti. However, Haiti has asked The Call to come and put on a nationwide event of three days of prayer and fasting to Jesus. The Call is about repentance/turning back to the Lord by the Biblical model of prayer and fasting.

I have no doubt that voodoo had a stronghold on the nation of Haiti, but I believe the Lord gives crisis in order to turn a nation toward Himself. I also believe that the Lord wants to heal Haiti. There have been prayer meetings in Haiti, where the usual few thousand have turned into more than ten thousand gathering in prayer and worship to Jesus. Praise God! :) A man doing medical work in Haiti was giving a girl the Gospel message, but because of language barriers he had to find a translator. When he did, he presented the message again and the girl gave her life to Jesus... and the translator asked if he could, too! :)

"Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked," declares the Lord GOD, "rather than that he should turn from his ways and live?" Ezekiel 18:23


Dorothy von Lehe+ (@revgenlink)
Mar 01 2010 06:28:15am
  Thanks bondslave for sharing this testimony. I believe, always there are a number of testimonies of God's care and protection through a crisis. There is certainly a reason for what happened with this man and my strong suspicion is the testimony of this person will be shared with others in many ways.



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