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The Real Birther Conspiracy

American politics is a bit different to Australian politics. There are many things that we share in culture and identity, but politics is not really one of them.

One major difference between the two systems is the President of the United States must be born in the United States; you can’t be merely a citizen. The whole ‘birther’ conspiracy theories related to Barack Obama come from this rule.

For many Australians this was confusing, but if you are a citizen they asked, why does it matter where you are born?
After all our current Prime Minister was born in Wales and the Leader of the Opposition was born in England.
In the past we have had several Prime Ministers born in England and Scotland and one was even born in Chile.
But for whatever reason, and I’m sure there must be a good one, to be President of the United States you must be born in the United States.

I used to use this when some motivational person would say ‘hey if you put your mind to it you can achieve anything.’ I would say it doesn’t matter what I do I can never be the US president, because I was born in Australia, so your argument is fallacious. Of course they were talking of other things, but the fact that it annoyed them was pleasure enough. After all, who doesn’t want to annoy a motivational speaker?

But the point of this blog is not to talk about what we can and can’t do it is talk about where we are born, because that is one great thing about being a Christian, it doesn’t matter where you were born, because when you become a Christian you become a citizen of heaven.
Your citizenship is not of this earth it is of heaven.

The only birther controversy we have is we try to live in the mentality and with the philosophy of this world instead of having a vision of eternity.
A vision of things not on this earth but on things to come. The old song used to say ‘and the things of earth will grow strangely dim, in the light of his glory and grace’

So I admit it I don’t understand why the US insists its presidents be born on US soil, it seems to cheapen the value of people who have become citizens and served that great nation for many years just because their place of birth was somewhere else, I am grateful that in Christ we can be born anywhere.

I am grateful for the Apostle Paul taking the gospel to the gentiles and insisting that you don’t have to be Jewish to be Christian.

I am grateful that we can be citizens of heaven, and that our priority is God, the gospel and heaven first. That also brings up issues of nationalistic pride and tying our wars and politics to the Bible, which I think some people from the USA do, but that is another story.

So I am not trying to be controversial here, or to say the USA is wrong, I am more thankful that God has not put restrictions on where we are born to become members of his family.

So whilst some people still go on about the Birther conspiracy despite seemingly solid evidence against it, the only thing we have to worry about is am I trusting in Jesus and building a relationship with him, am I growing in his grace, am I being a citizen of God’s kingdom over and beyond my own place of birth.

And let me finish by asking you the person who ploughed through this meandering blog – what do you think about all of this?

Posted: Jun 11 2012 06:17:50am by seano+
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Author: seano+
Posted Jun 11 2012 06:19:44am
  This blog does meander around quite a bit, there is no real logical flow, but hope it is something worth chewing over though.

Author: bethy+
Posted Jun 11 2012 06:28:59am
  Im sayin nothin' cause I will only get in trouble if i do .

I love writings that meander. I love more so the fact that God takes us as we are, makes no assumptions and simply says "Come".

Author: whobelieve
Posted Jun 11 2012 08:19:28am
  I am not a history scholar.

That being said... The main thrust of the Revolutionary War here in the US was that we were being taxed (and governed) without representation. We didn't have someone who lived in the US representing us where the laws were being made. So, I believe it would be somewhat ridiculous for us to turn around and have someone who wasn't born here to be the topmost of our governing body. Unless, of course, there was some kind of standard saying that you couldn't run for office until you lived here for some long amount of years. How could we be represented (our main beef) by someone who doesn't even know what it is truly like to live as a citizen of the United States?

This may not have been the real reason the law-drafters in our country had in mind when they put pen to paper, but it makes sense to me.

There are other, lesser reason that would similarly make sense. For instance, when our first president, George Washington became President, there were certain things he purposefully did because he knew he was setting up a precedent as to how future President's would act and be treated. Some things he chose to do to mimic a monarchy to lend dignity to the office of Presidency. Largely, Kings of nations come from that nation (unless they are a conqueror or marry in) as are heirs to the throne. Off topic a bit, Washington was also careful to set up precedents that distanced himself and the Presidency from a monarch-governed country, such as inventing the title of "Mr.President" so as not to be addressed as Your Majesty, Your Highness, etc.

Moving on, as this has almost nothing to do with the main point of your blog.

I just wanted to say how much I love the new citizenship, nay, the whole new family I have been adopted into because of Christ! Thank you, brother, for this blog.

~wb

Author: kiwibird+
Posted Jun 11 2012 02:42:50pm
 
But the point of this blog is not to talk about what we can and can’t do it is talk about where we are born, because that is one great thing about being a Christian, it doesn’t matter where you were born, because when you become a Christian you become a citizen of heaven.
Your citizenship is not of this earth it is of heaven


Amen! I am very grateful that neither my place of birth nor politics have anything to do with my citizenship!

Thank for the thoughts.

kbird

Author: seano+
Posted Jun 11 2012 05:05:48pm
  Thank you for you words. I actually have been thinking more on the whole topic of where you are born and I agree and disagree with myself!

I agree it does not matter where you are born, and our citizenship is in heaven.
I disagree because if you are fortunate to be born in the west like USA or Australia the chances of hearing the gospel are a lot higher than if you are born in Iran or China.

Having said that, I guess that is why I hold to Calvinist principles, but it does also make me think again how important missions are, to reach out to the people who are not born in a nation with a strong Christian heritage.

Author: bibleguy64+
Posted Jun 11 2012 03:13:48pm
  I am thankful the framers of the constitution put the natural citizen requirement in. Like it or not, the USA has enemies who want to do it harm. We do not want someone in the President's office whose has hidden loyalties to our enemy. I will let your "solid evidence against it" slide, but not all agree with that. Interesting blog. - bibleguy64

Author: kreynolds+
Posted Jun 11 2012 03:49:04pm
  Unlike in Australia, we fought a war to gain our independence. The colonists were divided as to where their loyalties lay. The Whigs promoted independence from England whereas the Tories wanted to remain a British Colony.

Like everything else, people tended to promote their agenda, even if it was a lie. However, it is true that over time, the colonists were being gradually stripped of their rights as British citizens. Every American school child is familiar with the cry "No taxation without representation!"
Being relegated to the status of second class citizens didn't sit well with some.

Typically, those who had stronger ties to Great Britain meaning that they had been born there, were more "loyal" to Great Britain and wanted to remain British subjects. Whigs were typically those who either came from families who had been established in the U.S. for several generations or at least had been born here.

It was a pretty ugly and deadly "family feud". As in any revolution, those who were not on the "winning side" were viewed as traitors to their country. Many fled to Canada which was under British rule. A few years after the American Revolution ended, trouble broke out once again between the British and the Americans during the War of 1812.

As a citizen of Australia, how would you feel if the rights you enjoy as a citizen were suddenly stripped away in your community? Now, your neighboring communities still enjoyed those rights but people in your community didn't. Your community was still a part of Australia. You were still paying taxes to the Australian government but you lost all government representation. It doesn't feel good, does it? That gives you a glimpse of what happened to the people in the thirteen English Colonies in what later became the Unites States of America.

Ever wonder why we spell words like "colour" as "color"? That was deliberate changed. I am serious. Some people, including Benjamin Franklin, wanted to adopted another "official language". That didn't happen of course but with so many people illiterate, it was rather easy to change the spelling by the means of publishing a new American dictionary.

Of course, this is not the primary purpose of this blog. I agree. It is so good that our true citizenship is in Heaven!

Blessings!

K :princess:

Author: seano+
Posted Jun 11 2012 05:13:38pm
  Yes Australia was fortunate enough to have their independence granted via legal channels rather than by having blood shed.

Would I be upset if my civil rights were revoked? Of course who would not, but if a relative of mine had them revoked in 1774 then maybe I would see the distance between then and now and think it was time for change.

I will give one example, which is slightly different, but conveys a similar point. Japan bombed parts of Australia in the 1940's and many Australian soldiers were treated very harshly in Japanese prisoner of war camps.

If a Japanese born person who became an Australian citizen was running for prime minister and I agreed with their policies than let me say that none of what happened in World War II would affect how I voted.

The other point I would make is - imagine a person born in a third world country who is rescued and taken to the USA at say the age of one. They then live a great life of service to the USA, they are a natural leader, they are intelligent, they have great ideas and policies for leading the USA to new heights, they would not be able to because they were not born there, even though they don't know the place where they were born, even though there loyalty could not be questioned, even though they would be a great advantage to the USA. It just seems limited thinking.

Anyway, I'm probably being more controversial than what I should be, but safe to say, from this blog I am more aware of American thinking, see how Australian thinking is different and more thankful of the gospel being free for all, and realising again that some people are born in places where the gospel is not so available and we need to support missions!

Thanks again.

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