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A Look At Speaking In Tongues

On the Day of Pentecost visitors to Jerusalem witnessed the unbelievable sight of Spirit-filled believers declaring the glory of God in languages they had never learned. Their response to the supernatural was natural: "What does this mean?" (Acts 2:12).

Twenty centuries later the same question is being asked as the Holy Spirit is doing spectacular things all around the world, not just in one location. Tongues-speaking Pentecostals have become the second largest family of Christians in the world, surpassed only by the Roman Catholic Church. Convincing statistics exist on the explosion of church growth around the world in the Pentecostal and charismatic groups that teach the necessity of speaking in tongues as the initial physical evidence of being filled with the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit can inspire people to speak in languages which they have not learned, as was demonstrated conclusively on the Day of Pentecost (see Acts 2) when people from all over the world heard Galileans speaking foreign languages which they could not have known. In the modern era similar episodes have occurred many times.1

The expression "initial physical evidence of the baptism in the Holy Spirit" 2 refers to the first outward, observable sign that the Holy Spirit has come in filling power. The repeated testimony of Scripture is that this physical sign occurred at the time the Spirit was poured out on individuals. When the 120 disciples were filled with the Spirit, they spoke in tongues (Acts 2:4). They spoke then, not a day, week, or year later. When Cornelius's household was baptized in the Spirit, members spoke in tongues, and the believing Jews were amazed (Acts 10:44–48). Again, they spoke in tongues at the same time they were baptized, not at some later time. When the Ephesian believers were baptized in the Spirit, they spoke in tongues and prophesied (Acts 19:1–6). There is no statement or implication of a delay between the event of the baptism in the Spirit and the evidence of speaking in tongues. Those who teach there can be a delay in speaking in tongues draw their conclusions from personal experience or the testimony of others, not from a clear statement of Scripture. Scripture nowhere teaches, implies, or gives an example of a delay occurring between the baptism in the Spirit and the evidence of speaking in tongues; therefore we must adhere to the testimony of Scripture.

Prior to the Day of Pentecost, many within Israel had concluded that after God spoke to and through the last of the Old Testament prophets, He was speaking directly to Israel no more. Only after Messiah was to arrive, along with the anticipated Age to Come, would God again speak to His people through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Suddenly, in this spiritually lifeless context, the Spirit is poured out, not just on selected individuals as in the Old Testament, but upon masses of people, essentially everyone in the fledgling Church. It was as if the cry of Moses' heart had been fulfilled: "I wish that all the Lord's people were prophets and that the Lord would put his Spirit on them!" (Numbers 11:29). In some marvelous sense the Age to Come had begun, and a church filled with people who spoke in tongues was a sign signifying the dawn of a new period in God's eternal plan for humankind.

Luke understands speaking in tongues to demonstrate the infilling presence of the Holy Spirit; this is clearly indicated by an examination of Acts 10:44–48.

"While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God" (Acts 10:44–46).

The conclusion is clear: If someone, even someone unexpected, hears the Word and speaks in divinely inspired tongues, that person has received the Holy Spirit. This was the reasoning of Peter and the other Jewish Christians present. Speaking in tongues is clear evidence someone has received the gift of the Holy Spirit (or been baptized in the Holy Spirit). The evidence was so clear for Peter he insisted Cornelius and his Gentile friends be baptized in water (10:48).

Later, as Peter discussed the Cornelius incident with the apostles and believers in Jerusalem, he again referred to the phenomenon he had witnessed: "So if God gave them the same gift as he gave us, who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could oppose God?" (Acts 11:17). The next verse confirms the apostles and believers accepted tongues as convincing evidence of the baptism in the Spirit: "When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God" (11:18).

While Acts 10:45,46 establishes that speaking in tongues is clear evidence of Spirit baptism, evidence supporting this doctrine is also provided by the overall pattern of Acts associating speaking in tongues with baptism in the Spirit. Acts describes five occasions on which people received an empowering of the Spirit for the first time (i.e., baptism in the Spirit). In none of these accounts are all of the details given, but four of these occasions include significant detail. (For Paul's reception of the Spirit recorded in Acts 9:17,19, hardly any detail is recorded.) As previously noted, supernatural phenomena are a sign of the coming of the Spirit. The New Testament simply picks up on a very important Old Testament motif.

In Acts 2, 10, and 19 various phenomena are indicated, such as the sound of wind, tongues of fire, prophecy, and speaking in tongues.3 The only phenomenon occurring in each case, however, is speaking in tongues.

In the Acts 8 account of Peter and John's ministry among the Samaritans, speaking in tongues is not specifically mentioned but it is strongly implied. After the apostles had laid their hands on the Samaritans, some visible and extraordinary manifestation accompanied the reception of the Spirit. This is evident for, after seeing something remarkable, the magician Simon wanted to buy the ability to confer the Holy Spirit.

Acts 8:18 notes explicitly, "When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money." Based on the pattern found in Acts 2, 10, and 19 it seems most likely that what Simon saw was the Samaritan believers speaking in tongues. Had the experience been only by faith without any accompanying sign, Simon would not have known whether the Samaritan believers actually received the Holy Spirit.

Acts 9:17–19 suggests that Saul of Tarsus (i.e., the apostle Paul) was filled with the Holy Spirit through the ministry of Ananias. Though no details of this filling are given, we know from 1 Corinthians 14:18 that Paul prayed in tongues regularly and often. It would hardly be surprising if that pattern was begun at the time he was filled with the Spirit.

Despite the sketchiness of the report about Paul's baptism in the Spirit, and despite the fact tongues are not explicitly mentioned in Acts 8, the evidence of chapters 2, 10, and 19 demonstrates an overall pattern of speaking in tongues as regularly accompanying the baptism in the Holy Spirit. When these three witnesses are linked with (1) Luke's underlying awareness of the Spirit's presence in divinely inspired speech and (2) the strong inference of Acts 10:45,46 connecting speaking in tongues with the gift of the Spirit, the Pentecostal doctrine that speaking in tongues constitutes evidence of Spirit baptism is clearly established.4


Here is a short Questions & Answers for some specific questions related to speaking in tongues.

Can a person be filled with the Holy Spirit without speaking in tongues?

First let us examine the Scriptures. On the Day of Pentecost the Holy Spirit fell upon the assembled believers and "all of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues" (Acts 2:4). Later, as Peter was preaching at the house of Cornelius, "the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message" and they were "speaking in tongues and praising God" (Acts 10:44, 46). Again, as the apostle Paul was ministering to the Ephesian disciples, "the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied" (Acts 19:6). It is evident also that Paul himself was filled with the Holy Spirit (Acts 9:17) and spoke in tongues (1 Corinthians 14:18). These Scriptures clearly show that speaking in tongues is the initial physical evidence of being baptized in the Holy Spirit.

When the early believers were filled, they spoke in other tongues, and the same holds true today. Millions of believers worldwide share the exact testimony: when they initially were baptized in the Holy Spirit they spoke in unknown tongues. This is the truth which Pentecostals consistently affirm. The prophecy of Joel 2:28, 29, cited by Peter in Acts 2:16, 17, links today's Spirit-filled believers with those who were filled with the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost. The Spirit's fullness, evidenced initially by the phenomenon of speaking in other tongues, is the common experience all celebrate with joy.

There are those who give testimony to a dynamic and life-changing encounter with the Holy Spirit who have never spoken in tongues. Nevertheless it cannot be said that they are filled with the Spirit in the New Testament sense of the term. There is an essential link between that experience and speaking in other tongues, as pointed out above.

We affirm and teach these truths because they are based upon the pattern from God's Word. We do not look upon speaking in tongues as a proof of superior spirituality. It simply is a precious promise written in God's Word and fulfilled in our lives. To ignore it is to miss a great blessing and come short of the New Testament pattern.

All who are hungry for the "filling" should be encouraged to trust the Lord for the overflowing evidence of that "filling"; namely, speaking in other tongues.

Since Paul suggested in 1 Corinthians 14:19 that it is better to speak intelligible words in church than to speak in tongues, doesn't it follow that the experience of tongues is unnecessary today?

It does seem almost contradictory that the apostle Paul should make the following statements in successive verses: "I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue" (1 Corinthians 14:18, 19). The seeming contradiction evaporates, however, when we examine the chapter more fully. Paul was addressing a specific problem in the church at Corinth; namely, spontaneous utterances in tongues in an assembly of believers without accompanying interpretations. He equated this with disorder and confusion (1 Corinthians 14:13,32,33). He purposely exaggerated ("five intelligible words ... than ten thousand words in a tongue" to make his point. His exaggeration was not made to invalidate the benefit and use of tongues, but to bring order to the church. Actually he encouraged the exercise of the spiritual gifts of tongues and interpretation of tongues by explaining in some detail how they should operate (1 Corinthians 14:26-33). Also he placed great value on tongues in the believer's devotional life (1 Corinthians 14:4).

When biblical truths fall into obscurity and neglect, people often seek for explanations. When speaking in tongues is no longer experienced, they ask the reason, and critics have answered by isolating this particular statement and giving it an unsound meaning. Paul was not opposed to tongues. He said he himself spoke in tongues more than all (1 Corinthians 14:18). His point was that if someone speaks in tongues in a public assembly, it is essential that there be an interpretation so the listeners will be instructed.


As humans, do we play a role as to whether or not tongues and other gifts will operate in the church?

Human availability has always been an essential part of the unfolding of God's plan. Throughout Scripture there is an obvious blending of God's sovereign purposes and people's availability in implementing those purposes. While this interrelationship is impossible to fully comprehend, it is consistently recorded in the Bible.

Spiritual gifts operate only with human availability. While the gifts are supernatural both in source and operation, they require willing and obedient hearts through which they might find expression. Jesus commanded His disciples to wait in Jerusalem until they had been "clothed with power from on high" (Luke 24:49). It was not until they had placed themselves at the Spirit's disposal that they were "filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them" (Acts 2:4).

Perhaps this interrelationship between the Holy Spirit and human availability can best be expressed by the following progression. The believer must (1) have a clear understanding of the biblical base for promised gifts; (2) be touched in his heart with a desire for the gifts to flow; (3) be willing to submit to the inner sense that the Spirit is seeking expression; and (4) offer to the Holy Spirit his heart, emotions, will, and voice by which those gifts may operate. The key is obedient availability coupled with a sincere desire to please God.


Is it possible for an interpretation of tongues to run contrary to the teachings of the Bible?

If the Holy Spirit has authentically inspired the interpretation, it will never contradict the teachings of the Bible. If the interpretation is contrary to Scripture, it is out of order and must be ruled so. The Bible is the measure by which all utterances must be judged.

For example, in a church service some years ago a prophetic word was spoken that included the phrase "His (Jesus' bones were broken." The Scripture tells us, "Not one of his bones will be broken" (John 19:36; Psalm 34:20). The contradiction was clearly evident. The utterance was unbiblical and had to be judged as wrong.

The Scriptures cannot be contradicted (Psalm 119:89; Matthew 5:18; 24:35; 1 Peter 1:25). They are complete and cannot be added to (Revelation 22:18, 19).

The apostle Paul did not hesitate to establish guidelines within which the gifts of the Spirit must operate. He stated that any utterance, message, or gift expression must line up with Scripture and be judged by it (1 Corinthians 14:29). He declared that God's messenger, whether speaking with a prophetic word or speaking in tongues followed by interpretation, must rule his own spirit (1 Corinthians 14: 32) and submit always to the guidelines of scriptural truth (1 Corinthians 14:37; and 1 John 4:1-3).

Yes, spiritual gifts are divine in their origin, but they are entrusted to people, and they must operate in a way that is consistent with biblical teaching. Good order, established by anointed leadership, is God's way (1 Corinthians 14:33, 40).


Is tongues the only evidence of the infilling of the Holy Spirit? Will there be any significant changes in one's attitudes and actions after being baptized in the Spirit?

The first physical sign of the infilling of the Spirit is speaking in tongues. This is the one physical sign that is consistent in its recurrence, as pointed out earlier. However, the Baptism is not a goal but a gateway. It is a door to Spirit-filled living. It marks a beginning, not an end. Speaking in tongues is but the initial evidence and is to be followed by all the evidences of Christlikeness that mark a consistent Spirit-filled life.

The apostle Paul described this wonderful life in the Spirit in Galatians 5:22, 23. He wrote, "The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control."

It is a life to be lived, not just an experience to be remembered. Some have missed this essential distinction. They have been satisfied to recall that wonderful moment when the Holy Spirit came in His fullness and they magnified the Lord in other tongues. Failure to progress beyond that point is a tragedy.

The question is not only, "Have you been filled?" but, "How have you lived since you were filled?" The apostle Paul wrote, "Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit" (Galatians 5:25). The baptism in the Holy Spirit is the introduction to a victorious Christian life in the Spirit. Any lesser result falls short of God's purpose in bestowing this marvelous gift.


When tongues are exercised publicly according to the Biblical standard, should there always be an interpretation? Who should give the interpretation?

In 1 Corinthians 14 the apostle Paul clearly taught that public speaking in tongues in the assembly of believers is in order only when followed by an interpretation. It was because of this disorderly practice at Corinth that Paul wrote such statements as "speaking into the air" (1 Corinthians 14:9), "stop thinking like children" (1 Corinthians 14:20), "will they not say that you are out of you mind?" (1 Corinthians 14:23), and "keep quiet in the church" (1 Corinthians 14:28).

It [was this disorderly practice] that prompted Paul to stress the superiority of prophecy--not to interpreted tongues, but to uninterpreted tongues (1 Corinthians 14:5).

Final responsibility for giving an interpretation of tongues in a public assembly rests with the one who gave the utterance in tongues. The speaker either must be assured that someone else in the assembly will provide the interpretation, or he must be prepared to do so himself (1 Corinthians 14:13, 27 28).


For whose benefit and for what purpose are there utterances in tongues followed by interpretations?

The purpose of tongues with interpretation is twofold. One purpose is to provide a sign for unbelievers that they might believe. The other purpose is to edify the church body. Tongues with interpretation declares the mighty works of God, exalts His name, and prompts the believers to worship Him in spirit and in truth. It also calls for commitment to the church's mission.

In 1 Corinthians 14:22 and following, Paul wrote that tongues are a sign primarily for the unbeliever when uttered in a public assembly. Understandably so, for tongues properly interpreted will speak of the majesty and glory of God. The unbeliever will be drawn by this empowered expression.

Some confuse speaking in tongues with the gift of prophecy. Paul drew a distinction between the two. He indicated the purpose of the spiritual gift of prophecy is to strengthen, encourage, and comfort (1 Corinthians 14:3, 31). Thus prophecy is primarily for the benefit of believers. Paul pointed out, however, that unbelievers who hear a prophetic word may also be convicted and turn in repentance to God (1 Corinthians 14:24,25).


What is the difference between "speaking in tongues" when one is baptized in the Spirit and "speaking in tongues" publicly? Also, what is the advantage of "praying in tongues" in one's private prayer life?

There are at least four uses or purposes of unknown tongues, according to the New Testament: (1) as the initial evidence of the baptism in the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:4; 10:46; 19:6); (2) as a gift to edify the church when the tongues are interpreted (1 Corinthians 12:10); (3) as a sign for unbelievers that they might believe (1 Corinthians 14:22); and (4) as a God-given provision for effective prayer and praise (1 Corinthians 14:2, 14). In all these cases, tongues is the same in essence, but different in purpose. The misunderstanding concerning these distinctive uses and purposes has brought great confusion among Christians.

Scripture records that the early believers, upon being baptized in the Spirit, began to glorify God in languages unknown to them but imparted by the Holy Spirit. Tongues is the same evidence today when believers are baptized in the Spirit. All believers, when they are baptized in the Spirit, will speak in tongues. However, not all will exercise the spiritual gift of tongues in the church assembled for worship. All will have the evidence, but not all will exercise the public gift of tongues which requires the additional operation of the gift of interpretation of tongues (1 Corinthians 14:12,13). First in a public worship service someone is moved to speak in tongues; then someone is moved by the Spirit to give an interpretation of the utterance. Operating in this realm, the Spirit provides an effective and powerful means of corporate adoration and worship of God. The purpose of the gifts of tongues and interpretation is to edify or build up the church (1 Corinthians 14:2-12).

Praying in tongues during private devotions is an additional ministry of the Holy Spirit. Many believers today testify that praying in tongues greatly enriches their spiritual lives. The limitations of intellect are overcome as the Holy Spirit quickens the human spirit in glorious expressions of worship and adoration. The quandary of limited vocabulary and the inability to express feelings and concerns of the soul disappear as a Spirit-imparted language flows out from the heart. It is as if heaven and earth, time and eternity, God and man all compress together in a glorious act of worship.


Why do Pentecostals emphasize speaking in tongues when this is mentioned only a few times in Acts and 1 Corinthians 12 to 14?

Pentecostals who are well rooted in Scripture do not emphasize the baptism in the Spirit and speaking in tongues to a greater extent than other doctrines such as the New Birth (salvation) and water baptism. They emphasize all the teachings of the New Testament, giving to tongues the same priority that it has in Scripture. The goal is for balance. Admittedly, some have failed to keep that essential balance. The Pentecostal movement suffers wherever there is an imbalance in teaching and practicing all that is in the New Testament.

God has brought the Pentecostal movement into being in order to help the Church rediscover the doctrine of the baptism in the Holy Spirit and the accompanying gifts of the Spirit. In obedience to that charge, Pentecostals have placed a high priority on this particular doctrine. However, much of the supposed imbalance is more imagined than real.




(1) See Ralph W. Harris, Acts Today: Signs and Wonders of the Holy Spirit (Springfield, MO: Gospel Publishing House, 1995). Includes documented instances of individuals speaking in French, Croatian, Chinese, Ukrainian, and Aramaic-Hebrew, despite a lack of any training in those languages.

(2) While the exact phrase "baptism in the Holy Spirit" never occurs in Scripture,6 it is closely related to the biblical expression "baptize(d) in [or with] the Holy Spirit" (cf. Matthew 3:11; Acts 1:5; 11:16). John the Baptist, the first to use the expression shortly before Jesus began His public ministry, said, "He [Jesus] will baptize you with the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16; cf. also John 1:33). At the conclusion of His earthly ministry, Jesus referred to John’s statement (Acts 1:5); and Peter, in reporting on the events in the home of Cornelius, also repeated the statement (Acts 11:16).

(3) The sound of wind and the sight of tongues of fire preceded and were external to the disciples' personal experience.

(4) For all its importance as initial evidence, speaking in tongues is not the only purpose of the baptism in the Holy Spirit. Another purpose of the baptism in the Holy Spirit, according to Jesus' words in Acts 1:8, is to empower believers to be witnesses. The Greek word translated "power" is dynamis, or the power and ability to get things done. God's Great Commission is the evangelization of the world. As the Book of Acts clearly shows, evangelizing the world is to be done in the power of the Spirit. The powerful proclamation of the gospel, healings, casting out of demons, raising the dead are all clearly seen in the Book of Acts as Spirit-empowered believers, after being baptized in the Holy Spirit, bear witness to the saving power of Jesus. All of these powerful signs of God's presence are available to the Church today. When believers are baptized in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues, they should expect to become agents of God's power in this world.


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Thank you for your post it is a refresher for me, one who holds dear the empowering of the Holy Spirit in my daily life. It is a good reference especially the Q

  Posted 06/15/2009 11:12pm
Author: ptl2008

yokhannan,

Thank you for providing us with this blog. I don't know if it was in any way related to the blog I published on this subject earlier today or not, but it is certianly timely and extremely informative. There is a great deal here for me to ponder.

I have never personally experienced "speaking in tongues." Yet, I have absolutely no doubt that I am filled by the Holy Spirit, have been baptized of the Spirit, and am refilled by the Spirit daily. The Spirit is powerfully active in my life, every moment. So there is a great deal for me to mull over in the information that you have provided.

With my thanks and repsect...

Shalom,

Art
Alive in The Word

  Posted 06/15/2009 11:57pm
Author: aliveintheword

YOu know I really needed to read this blog. My brother who speaks in tongues and I do not, We were brought up in the same church with the same teaching but then as adult he change churches. He often prays in tongues with my family which I have allowed but I have to be honest whrn I say that I have wondered if they were of satan. It is terrible I know especially when you read and understand the book of Acts. aND i HAVE YEARNED FOR THIS GIFT MYSELF BUT HAVE NOT RECEIVED IT, MEANING MY SPIRIT WILL NOT YIELD AND MAYBE IT WAS BECAUSE OF THESE QUESTIONS i HAD HIDDEN. Now, i have a clear view of this gift, perhapsmy spirit will yield to the will of God.

  Posted 06/16/2009 12:03am
Author: univbarbie

Excellent teaching on an imperative topic! The life and power of Pentacost is greatly needed if we are to share with the world the gospel of Jesus Christ. For myself personally, it was a life changing event that embarked me on a journey to go deeper into the things of the Spirit and gave me a broader understanding of what the gospel is truly about.

Blessings,

Wes

  Posted 06/16/2009 07:57am
Author: wesley0115

Yokhannan~

Thank you for this look at speaking in tongues. Our Pastor is preaching on the use of tongues in his sermons on Sunday mornings right now. And while on some areas you have the same point of view, there are some instances where you do not. Since I have never learned about the use of tongues in the church it's very good to learn different points of view so that I can make a clear and intelligent decision on what I believe, where I stand. I have many questions and a desire to learn, so again, thank you for your insight.

~His

  Posted 06/16/2009 10:14am
Author: oneofhisown

You have blessed us with something highly informative and much needed for our understanding. This is an excellent presentation on the subject. Thank you very much for this entry, Yokhannan. God bless you abundantly for sharing His truths.

  Posted 06/16/2009 10:37am
Author: doulos

I too wish to thank you for posting this informative blog, Yokhannan. Many have questions regarding the baptism of the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues. I know the impact the Holy Spirit has had on my life since I was a young girl!

Blessings!

K :princess:

  Posted 06/16/2009 12:15pm
Author: kreynolds

Yokhannan,

Personally I do not agree that the Bible teaches that tongues are proof of the indwelling Spirit. Here is why:

1) Acts only records people speaking in tongues in 3 occasions I believe. All of these incidents reveal that it was somewhat of a shocking experience. Peter was very surprised that Cornelius and his companions experienced tongues as they did about a decade earlier...it does not seem to be a common experience at conversion based on the tone of the text.

2) Nothing is said on dozens of other conversion experiences about tongues in Acts. Such as when the thousands were baptized after Peter's speech or when the Ethiopian was baptized by Philip in Acts 8. The list goes on and on, but I think three occasions of tongues-speaking in Acts is not a recipe to suggest that it is proof of someones salvation or not.

3) There is nothing in all of the epistles that says tongues is evidence of anything. One would think that if tongues was proof of the indwelling Spirit that Paul would have referenced this in Romans 6 instead of baptism as proof of a new life. Never do we every see anything that even hints in the epistles of teaching that one must speak in tongues. Considering that salvation is the primary issue discussed in all the epistles, that would be an amazing oversight in my opinion.

4) Paul says clearly in 1 Corinthians that not all speak in tongues. There is nothing to suggest that Paul ever speaks of two differing types of tongues either. In his discussion on tongues, Paul clearly implies that not all will have this ability.

5) Paul lists tongues at the bottom of the list of priority in 1 Corinthians. In fact, he claims that it is not edifying to the body if it is not interpreted. In my estimation, this would certainly not be the case if tongues was proof of salvation!

Just my thoughts.

  Posted 06/18/2009 01:30pm
Author: mathetes

who is that directed to? I am not following what you are trying to say...sorry!

  Posted 06/20/2009 07:37pm
Author: mathetes

I have just read this entry again (there's just so much in it) and the comments too. I want to express thanks to Art (aliveintheword) who tells us he does not speak in tongues and probably holds another denominational perspective. Yet he has chosen to edify this entry, expressed openness and humility in his comment - and that is certainly recognisable as evidence of the Fruit and indwelling of the Spirit in him!

When we write, we invariably express different denominational stances. Even if it is different, we can edify each other and respect another's writing and I think Art has shown us an example here of how we can appreciate differences in a way that binds rather than divides. Praise God for the brotherly love and may we continue to pray for unity in the Body of Christ of which we are all a one and single Bride.

  Posted 06/22/2009 01:41am
Author: doulos

Hi! I have read this blog comment and it is very interesting, tounges is a gift, and can be a tool used for Gods work but it will soon fade as God said prophecys will cease; tounges will cease; I like the other comments do not think you will lose salvation because of not having the gift I believe this is true I do not believe you will lose salvation for not having the gift but it is such a great gift if you ask the Holy Spirit for it. I hope people do not mind I always give life experiences, hoping that others will understand how? important it can be.

Oneday my sister, myself and a church member was coming home after church in our church van and we ran out of petrol. we rang someone from the church who brought us some petrol in a tin. my sister was sucking the petrol from the hose but could not get it out. She said to the church member I cannot get it out so he tipped up the tin high as she was sucking and heaps of it came out she swallowed quite alot.

I did not realize what had happened until she was bangning on the van window pointing to her mouth. I could see she was grasping for breath, so I started praying but nothing was happening she kept bangning on the window I started getting frustrated and than I saw her face was going purple. I started panicking I said what? do you want me to do God? "he replied pray in tongues" as soon as I did she came back to normal her face stopped going purple.

Tounges is also good for edifying yourself, when you are down as it says in 1 corinthians 14: 4 it lifts up your spirit.
and it really helps you it gives you strength to carryon.

No one understands tounges except the Holy Spirit! because our spirit is speaking to his spirit.

Another experience was one day I was at school and this little dog got attacked by a bull terrior the dogs that shut their mouths and you cannot open it they get a grip their draws just shut tight. well it had this little dog down his throat the dog was screaming and his owner was screaming let go of my dog, the owner of the dog even jumped a barb wire fence nearly killing himself to get the dog off. He had a spade hitting the dogs back but it would still not let go. I was up in class than, and I told the class to pray, but again nothing was happening so I told the class those who can pray in tounges start praying, I started praying in tongues that much I could not even hear if the others were, soon as I prayed in tounges the dog let go.

  Posted 07/06/2009 03:25am
Author: deanna

We can have the Holy Spirit on us and not in us. The Holy Spirit was on Jesus, but not until after the resurrection was the Holy Spirit given to dwell in us. There are many great men and women of the Bible that had the Holy Spirit on them and did awesome works. Tongues requires that we have the Holy Spirit in us, not on us. (I cannot support my belief biblically, that when the Bible speaks of tongues and the other gifts ceasing, that the Bible is speaking about when we will be living with Jesus .. I think He is that which is Perfect in 1 Corinth. 13... in the New Jerusalem. We won't need the gifts then, but love will always be with us and in us.. which is what the passages are about .. love.) That is an awesome testimony of tongues Deanna, since the Holy Spirit will know exactly what to say when we fail to completely understand the situation.

  Posted 07/06/2009 05:36am
Author: debradoo

thank you Yokhannan for that refresher...

  Posted 07/06/2009 07:49am
Author: blackrose65

Debradoo-

I disagree that the Spirit of God was only "on" people in the OT and for Jesus, rather than being "in" them. Certainly in the NT under the blood of Jesus the Spirit can dwell in "all flesh" and that dwelling is intended to be permanent (unlike Samson and others who had the Spirit come and go).

See Exodus 31:3; 35:31; Dan. 5:14; Luke 4:1. Also, to say the Spirit came upon someone is not to say the Spirit was not "in" them. I do not think the Scriptures are trying to differientiate between locations from which the Spirit operates as being varying in levels of importance. In my estimation it is more referring to a sudden endowment of power (as we see in the New Testament as well) given at God's discression, and not a matter of whether the New Testament gives us "control" of the Spirit as opposed to those in the OT not have such capability.

  Posted 07/07/2009 11:20pm
Author: mathetes

My apologies .. I worded that wrong (I should have used the word dwell). The Holy Spirit could fill the men of the OT, but it was only for a selective and temporary time. The Holy Spirit did not indwell them. When the Holy Spirit came upon men in the OT it was not as a result of their spirituality or belief or faith. He came upon them or in them or among them, for certain tasks or functions or abilities. The power did not make them more spiritual, as was the case with Samson or Saul or Balaam, etc. Today, He dwells within us .. giving us revelation and aiding us in spiritual growth and development.

  Posted 07/08/2009 07:53am
Author: debradoo

As I noted elsewhere, I have been very neglectful of reading many of the blogs available...this one spoke to a felt need, so I have soaked it up. I would appreciate your prayers regarding His will for my request. If there are some blockages still to deal with, I need that information, too. YSICPossum

  Posted 09/30/2009 01:15pm
Author: possum

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