How Did We Get Here From There?

One of the headline stories on my computer when I signed in today on MSNBC was a situation in a small town in Mississippi near the Alabama border. A young lady that would be graduating from high school this year wanted to attend the prom in April with her girlfriend €“ and wear a tuxedo. [spacer] Yes, I said a young lady wanted to attend her prom with her girlfriend. This school has a policy requiring prom dates to be of the opposite sex. Their ACLU had given the district until Wednesday to change their policy. [spacer] Of course ACLU cited the constitutional rights of this student were violated by banning same-sex prom dates. [spacer] Instead, the school board announced it would not host a prom this year. [spacer] Reasoning €“" due to the distractions to the educational process caused by recent events." The ACLU said this was unfair to the young lady as all she was trying to do was to assert her rights. [spacer] The student was also quoted as saying she feared she would be thrown out of the prom because "we do live in the Bible Belt." For years, much research has been done to 'prove' both sides of this extremely sensitive subject. [spacer] Of course, WE all know what God's Constitution says about same sex relationships. [spacer] Those on the favorable side say an abomination is not a sin. I've read articles of highly educated gay 'Christian' people try to use God's Word against itself. [spacer] And, these are gay Christians who choose to proudly remain gay and serve God! One theory is that Biblical authors knew nothing of same sex orientation as we know it today, so they neither approved nor condemned it! [spacer] Here's another one...€“ since the writers of Scripture are not to be considered "final authorities" on this subject, writers of Scripture didn't understand this orientation "as we understand it today". [spacer]“They believe that since Jesus and the Prophets did not speak or teach of this subject €“ then they believe that the Bible, as a whole, says nothing to agree or disagree with this behavior. "Unfortunately, the church has always been slow, if not the last institution on earth, to accept new truth." says openly gay Rev. Mel White. [spacer] A little of his background - "For 30 years, Dr. White had served as a pastor, seminary professor, best-selling author, prize-winning filmmaker, communication consultant and ghost writer to the most famous and powerful leaders within the religious right. His ghost-writing clients included Billy Graham, Jerry Falwell, Dr. James Kennedy, Ollie North, and Pat Robertson." This school situation occurred in a county that borders another county in Mississippi where a different type of €˜legal rights' action took place. [spacer] Over 10 years ago a school practiced prayer and Bible classes over their intercom led by students. [spacer] Hence, they ended up being sued in federal court. [spacer] Yep, you guessed it...€no more prayer and Bible classes over the intercom, much less in the school. I'm having a problem trying to understand something. [spacer] Yes, everybody has rights as laid out in the Constitution. [spacer] Did I miss the part in there that being partners of the same sex is Constitutional? [spacer] Before you answer read it clearly! When Jesus came did He remove all the decrees and ordinances that God gave in Leviticus? [spacer] Really, maybe someone can help me understand this whole thing about taking away the detestable and abominations out of God's word so we can go ahead and do what we want anyway? [spacer] Sure, I understand His sacrifice meant we didn't have to give burnt offerings and that whole bit €“ but was it intended to do away with God's entire laws? [spacer] I think not! [spacer] Jesus said not! And how come these people asserting their rights can get represented by the ACLU for their cause and we get taken to court to fight for our rights to speak publicly and teach about God and Scriptures? [spacer] I have some serious issues with this! Sure, anyone can say they love and worship God. [spacer] But, are they glorifying and honoring Him? [spacer] Do they even want to be considered holy, as He calls us to be, or righteous? [spacer] Do they really love Him? [spacer] I guess because same sex orientation is not in the commandments, we don't have to worry about that one, eh? [spacer] When Jesus said if we love Him, we will keep His commandments, did that take away the commandments God set forth? [spacer] How about let's honor all the decrees in Leviticus 18 €“ except we'll leave out #22. [spacer] That oughta work! Leviticus 18:29-30 Everyone who does any of these detestable things€”such persons must be cut off from their people. [spacer] Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. [spacer] I am the LORD your God. If others can take the Word and twist it €“ how about this. [spacer] Let's look at the words "must be cut off from their people" in this verse. [spacer] Say when we accept Jesus as the Son of God, we are now His people €“ then anyone who practices 'detestable things', we must cut them off from His people - us. Right? [spacer] We know Jesus was our Sacrifice. [spacer] Yet, when we sin against Him today as believers, we have to deal with the consequences instead of the punishments of the Levitical law. [spacer] Before Jesus, sin was death by stoning, etc or separation. [spacer] After Jesus, where there is sin, there are consequences. [spacer] Where there are consequences, there is Grace. In view of this ongoing, worn out subject, I'd like to clarify that I personally believe that every human being deserves equal rights as our Constitution states. [spacer] Even more to the point, I believe it is God's Constitution that we "LOVE" equally. [spacer] Abhorrence is the only word I can think of for judging and taking God's law in our own hands via hate crimes. [spacer] Shouldn't it be considered a hate crime against Christians as well? So, how did we get here from there? [spacer] And, can we get back to 'there'?

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Ted Foy @following ·

2G,

I saw this story today as well, it is sad.

This is what I was talking about in my blog yesterday. The devil has spent years subtly changing the morals of the world and they continue to get worse. He did this in my personal life to get me drawn away from Jesus and he has done it to us as a nation. Unfortunately we as Christians are partly to blame for not taking a stand for God in the past like we should have.

Blessings,
Ted

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That is right - that is how God works in the world today - little by little He's changing us to be more like Him and to impact the people around us. He stood up for what was right and we should too. He was angry when they made a mockery of the house of God, and we should be too. .. the list could go on.. but we are called and given light to take one step at a time - to know and to do and to receive courage and strength in doing. May He keep us faithful and consistent to His prompting.

ptl2008.

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Chuck Ness @onevike ·

To begin with, jesus never repealed any of the laws laid down by God via Moses. What He did was fulfill the laws. If you look at the thing jesus said you will see he reiterated all the OT laws. What He did do away with however, was the ceremonials laws and thus we look to Him for our salvation instead of through the works we do as they did before He completed His task here on earth.

So we can say that by the very idea that he did not repeal any laws, that homosexuality is a sin, and marriage as he told the pharisees is when a man leaves his parents and cleaves to his wife. (wife not husband) I know you already know this, but when those who claim that Jesus never spoke against the union of two men or two women, what they are attempting to do is claim Jesus abolished all of Moses laws.

Then those who look to what it is I say about Jesus not abolishing the law of Moses will say, then I must think that killing one for certain sins is still justifiable. Hopwever what they fail to understand is that even under the Mosaic law, the death penalty was not the only requirement for the penalty of breaking the law. Follow me for a few moments.

Remember when David slept with Bathsheba, got her pregnant and eventually had Uriah murdered because he refused to sleep with his wife as David hoped he would? Well, under the Mosaic law the punishment that God required for such a sin was that of stoning. Both David and Bathsheba should have been stoned to death, but they were not. We can say that because David was the King is the reason, but it was actually because God knew that David was truly remorseful in his heart. Psalm 51 was written by David as a testament to the forgiveness he received from God, and this is what he wrote;

[center][i]For You do not desire sacrifice, or else I would give it; You do not delight in burnt offering. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit, A broken and a contrite heart€” These, O God, You will not despise. Psalm 51:16-17[/i][/center]

Think about that, David was admitting that a sacrifice would not do, nor would any burnt offering be enough to hold back God's anger at him for his sin, what we learn is that David knew that only a broken and contrite heart would gain God;s forgiveness, [b]Not his or Bathsheba's stoning[/b]. I bring this up because when we jump forward to when the Pharisees brought forward the woman caught in adultery, Jesus was supposedly in a dilemma. Agree to have the woman stoned and have those who followed him turn away because they know they too are guilty of similar sins that require as harsh or harsher punishment, or break Moses law and thus prove He was not whom He claimed to be.

Well we know that Jesus looks at the heart and not the actions and He knew that the men that surrounded her with stones ready to punish her had many many sins that also deserved such punishment. So He did what the law called for, a witness who was innocent to cast the first stone. One by one, starting from the eldest they dropped their weapons of punishment and went away. Jesus asked where her accusers were and she said she had none. Jesus told her, that he did not accuse her either. He did tell her to, [b["go and sin no more"[/b] John 8:10-11

So, Jesus did not abolish the law, he was strict to the law. However by telling her to not sin anymore He was letting her know that forgiveness comes with a change of lifestyle and this is where the false Christians who claim to be gay do not realize they are in the wrong. many sinners accept Christ, but we know we must not continue the behavior that made us sinners. We can stumble and fall, but if we arrogantly continue to sin without remorse or guilt then we are condemned under the same law that God gave Moses, it is just that we are dead to the brotherhood of Christ until we repent just as the man who was sleeping with his fathers wife and Paul said to expel him from the church until he asked and gained forgiveness.

The false teachers need to be expelled from the circle of Christianity and rebuked for their false teaching. We should not associate with them unless they repent, as Paul said. It is not the same as a person who never accepted Christ and we are attempting to reach them we are talking about those who have accepted the teachings of Christ but now are unrepentant sinning Christians who are actually twisting the truth of what the Scriptures teach. Until good decent Christians publicly rebuke those who hold Christ and His teachings up to ridicule we will not fix the problem.

This is one of the reasons why Islam is growing so fast in America. Man's spirit wants and desires absolutes, and if they are not going to find them in Christianity, then they will gravitate to where the line of demarcation between right and wrong exists. Islam has a clear defined line of what they say is right and wrong. They also do not allow any secular governments to define what their religion teaches. Unfortunately to many looking for absolutes do not see that kind of defined line in the sand and thus they gravitate to religous teachings that do.

I hope I did not get too of course but I have had this very question asked of me in my congregation at Windchime where I minister to the retired residents. When they turn on the television and see these televangelists, they see a church they do not recognize, and they ask me what is happening. Ultimately, I let them know thet this is not the America they grew up in, and they tell me they worry for their grandchildren, and great grandchildren. I tell them they are wise to worry, but pray for them to see the light.

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