A hotly debated topic is whether the public ordination service displays a person’s commitment to the group ordaining him/her or to Christian ministry. I believe the overwhelming majority of ordinations are by and to a particular group.
About this time in 1978 I was ordained. At the time, I believed I was being ordained to “The Christian Ministry”, but I quickly learned that my ordination was in reality to the ministry that ordained me. Instead of being totally committed to Jesus Christ and the ministry of His Gospel, I was slowly indoctrinated in what was expected me as a minister to the group that ordained me.
Even now, 35 years after having hands laid upon me, I still believe I was and am ordained to the Christian ministry. Unfortunately, the ministry that ordained me refuses to acknowledge I was even a part of their group let alone ordained by it. Because of this, what I believe is a matter between myself and the God I have committed my life to. Whether any person, government, ministry or church accepts my ordination means nothing to me. I am committed to God and not man.
In 1986 when it was time for me to depart that ministry due to it forsaking the truth of God’s Word and due to wrong teaching and application hurting the very people it outwardly said it was helping, I was bombarded with threats of God’s retribution on my life and loss of eternal rewards. Any attempts on my part to defend my belief that my ordination was from God and not man were quickly and emphatically rebuked. I was “excommunicated” and told I was a heretic and infidel.
I believe, based on the Word of God, that ordination is nothing more than the public declaration of a person’s absolute commitment to Jesus Christ and the pronouncement of that person’s “ministry”. These ministries could be as teachers, pastors etc or any number of specific things listed in the New Testament that edify, help and minister to the Body of Christ.
I do not believe that ordination immediately gives a person reason to lord it over those he/she is responsible for. I do not believe that ordination is only a way to legally perform weddings and funerals. I do not believe that ordination is just a way to get a “Rev.” in front of your name. I do not believe that those ordained are the only ones qualified to teach, minister, etc.
I believe a person knows when they are ordained and whether they are ever officially prayed over and have hands laid on them is beside the point. I believe that it is possible for one ordained person to ordain another (spiritually not legally). I believe that the whole idea of ordination being a public declaration of one’s absolute commitment to a group or denomination is wrong. I believe ordination is God’s way of letting everyone know this person is 100% committed to Him and not man.
[quote]I believe a person knows when they are ordained and whether they are ever officially prayed over and have hands laid on them is beside the point.[/quote]
I'm in 100% agreement with you. A church may "excommunicate" someone however they can never make void their heavenly call or ordination. "[b]For the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.[/b] "
I know my calling and my ordination. Both are from God. However, we are to abide by civil law therefore if we are to completely fulfill ministerial duties here on earth we have to be legal and that means being ordained by a recognized ministry. Therefore I was also ordained by a legally recognized church.
Fortunately, my ordination came through a church who does not lord over us. We are not brain washed or indoctrinated to "their way is the only way" bondage. We do have to confess Jesus as God come in the flesh, His life, death, and resurrection. Our ordination is renewed each year and with each renewal we have to reaffirm our heavenly calling and our faith in the completed works of Jesus and Jesus as the only Way, the Truth, and the Life.
[quote]I'm in 100% agreement with you. A church may "excommunicate" someone however they can never make void their heavenly call or ordination. "For the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable. " [/quote]
I believe, based on the Word of God, that ordination is nothing more than the public declaration of a person’s absolute commitment to Jesus Christ and the pronouncement of that person’s “ministry”.
I agree as I was ordained in 1976 by the denomination that trained me to serve within their organisation, but at no time was the thought, that this was just for that denomination, rather it was to reaffirm my training and calling to the ministry within that group. But if one chose to work outside of the group the ordination was still valid in that the person could still minister and be recognized as an ordained minister. I have since left that denomination, but correspondence to me is still addressed as Rev. J.
Sadly I have found that ordination is to the a group ordaining him/her rather than to Christian ministry.
It should not be that way but it is. Which in my opinion is why God's church is not united as One Church.
If a person is truly called of God, then the ordinations you blog about just mostly give us a means to serve in His calling. Yes, it will somewhat limit the person to serve mostly in the particular sect they identify with. Some areas do not limit like others do. Personally I do not see the 'laying on of hands' as being the means of the person receiving their gift and calling. They are given of God, and the Holy Spirit is who empowers and gifts them.
One truly being used of the Holy Spirit will place a great blessing upon those they lay hands on though. One truly being empowered of God and allowing God to use them will bless the ones they do lay hands on. God's agape love is stronger than any other kind, and that is Him blessing through His Holy saints. A Godly bond and blessing. Many of us, such as yourself and I, use this site as means of using the callings God has given. Just as in a local church, individuals will hinder and try and do harm. Our foolishness in preaching and teaching pleases God:). Which humbles us. But here, just as in the local church, the word of God, and His Holy Spirit, is not bound. Just as the book of Hebrews clearly tells us in several places, in several ways, "For our God is a consuming fire".
I hope that you continue to boldly use the gifts and calling God Almighty has given you. All through, for, and in Jesus Christ. God Bless. billy.