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Once we become a saved child of God, we have two kinds of relationships wit
Once we become a saved child of God, we have two kinds of relationships with God. We have a born relationship and a chosen friendship. Just like with your earthly parents, you have a born relationship that you have no control over. You were born of your mom and dad and you can't change that. Although, now you have to choose on a daily basis whether or not you want to have a close friendship with them or ignore them and have nothing to do with them except during the holidays.

I would like to make a little note here, when you are born, it is an instant relationship with your parents. One day you are not born and the next day you are and you have an instant relationship. With God, one day we are not saved and the next day we are, then we start to work on the second type of relationship, the friendship or fellowship one.

Our relationship to God through Jesus is the same way. John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.‚‚¬ So once we get saved or are born again, then we have a born relationship‚‚¬ with God our Father through His Son the Lord Jesus Christ. John 1:12-14 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Once you are born of God nothing and no one can change that as you will see in these scriptures. Romans 8:37-39 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. John 10:27-29 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

From these verses we see that once we are born of God, there is nothing and no one that can separate us from Christ, because He puts us In God's hand and no one can take us out of His hand. Makes me think of that song, He's got the whole world in His hands‚‚¬, I wish He did, but sadly Jesus said wide is the gate to destruction and many go through it and narrow is the gate to life and only a few go through it. (Matt. 7:13-14)

We can see now that we have a born relationship with God once we are saved that is unchanging, although we also have to choose to have a friendship or fellowship relationship with the Lord. 1 John 1:5-10 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

This is what Paul meant by "work out your salvation", in Phil. 2:12, he meant we must work on our fellowship relationship with the Lord so we can stay close to Him and follow Him.
We have to choose to maintain a close fellowship with the Lord and that will take some work on our part. We will need to pray, spend time with him and keep un-confessed sin out of our life, which means we agree with God that it is sin when the Holy Spirit convicts us and we turn from it and ask forgiveness. If we do not follow the principles for maintaining a close relationship with Jesus, then it will break our fellowship with Him and pretty soon we won't feel His presence in our life, although, even if we break fellowship with Him, we still can not do anything to affect our born of God relationship that we have and that is very important to remember.

If you and your dad got into a disagreement and you moved away from him and did not talk to him for 5 years, then we would say your friendship or fellowship has been broken. Now let's say you die in a sudden car accident and did not get the chance to rekindle that fellowship with your dad, he is still your dad. When you and him had the disagreement and moved away from him, you did not change the born relationship you had with him. It is this way with us and God as well, if we are truly saved and get out of fellowship with the Lord and something happens to us He is still our Father.

I would not want to die at a point where I was not in a close relationship with the Lord, but I do believe scripture teaches that once we are a child of God, that nothing can separate us from the Love of God which is in Christ Jesus.
In Matt. 7:21-23 when Jesus says, Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 And then I will declare to them, I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

He is clearly talking about people who were never saved, but thought they were, because He said He would say to them, I NEVER knew you and if they were ever saved at one point, then He would not be able to say that to them.
I believe once you are actually saved, then you can break your friendship relationship with the Lord, but can do nothing to affect your Born again relationship with the Lord.

The only gospel I see in the Bible is repent of sin, believe that Jesus is God's Son thru grace by faith and call upon the Lord and you shall be saved. And remember what Paul said in Galatians 1:8-But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

*****Author's note - 5-20-2010

I have always been a very strong believer in the security of the believer's salvation and that was the case when I wrote this blog...however, in the last couple months I have searched the scriptures and God has convicted me that the security of the believer is dependant upon our willingmess to continue following Him daily and continuing to abide in Jesus daily and continuing to repent when convicted and not quenching the Spirt to continue in sin.

2 Peter chapter 2 shows me that a person who once was saved can choose to give up their salvation by turning from following Jesus and getting entangled again and overcome by sin.

Please check out my series on "The Security of the Believer" in my archives.

May God continue to open our understanding to the scriptures.


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Published: Feb 04 2010 02:05:44pm

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Dorothy Von Lehe+ (@revgenlink)


I posted this comment on the blog written by theunworthyservant and want to share this comment with you also:

theunworthyservant - I fully embrace and am in agreement with your blog.

In addition, I read the blog by following which seems as if it was written as a response to your blog. I am in agreement with what he writes and do believe when you have truly repented and receive Jesus as both Lord and Savior you are instantly saved.

I believe the two of you actually are in agreement with each other. I see the difference to be what you were focusing attention on in your writing.

It is easy to say I accept Jesus as my savior and practice religion, but, not relationship. To have heart repentance toward God. receiving Jesus as both Lord and Savior and having a willingness to deny self, pick up your cross daily and follow Jesus is so much more than saying I accept Jesus as my savior. There are many who say these words, but the heart commitment to giving your life over to God is not there. Yes, God sees our hearts and He sends the Holy Spirit who draws us to Jesus Christ. Only then can we choose to commit our self and our life and truly receive Jesus as Lord and Savior and become willing to follow and serve Jesus His way.

Once we have received Jesus as Lord and Savior, the real transformation begins with the gentle leading and guidance of the Holy Spirit who has come to indwell us and He keeps us focused on Jesus. Then, for the remainder of our life, with the Holy Spirit as our counselor leading us into God's truth found in the Word of God, we work out our salvation (overcoming the "world" through Jesus) moving from glory to glory in our walk and intimate personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I am so thankful and grateful that Jesus made it possible for me to have an intimate relationship with Him and experience daily the awesomeness of our Triune God.


Ted Foy (@following)

Yes, you are correct in that him and I do agree in several points. I totally agree with his focus on people saying that they are saved but never showing fruits of it and was trying to make the point that those people were probably never saved. I did not like the impression that his blog gave that salvation was not an instant event. I hope that my blog clarifys this that if a person is truly repentant and puts their faith in Jesus, that they are instantly saved, however, they now will have to start growing in this second type of relationship that we call fellowship with Jesus and that will be a lifelong process. I have always wanted people to understand the difference between salvation and living out your Christian life.

It would be very hard for me to enjoy my Christian life if I thought that for any reason I could lose my born again relationship with me that would be like living in bondage and Jesus said He came to free us from all bondage. My calling and my passion is to share the gospel and see people give their lives to Christ, then to see them grow in that intimate relationship with Him so He can use them to share with those around them.

Sometimes when we are trying to make a point in one area, it can be taken the wrong way and I appreciate your comment in both of our blogs.
Blessings to you,

Angie Byrd (@goodseed)

I'm so glad God loves us unconditionally. Psalm 139:7-8 even said, if I make my bed in hell He will be with me. That's some real love. But in spite of God's great love, I still get to go to hell. Hmmmm. If some can explain away Ezekiel 3:20: Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. If you can't explain that away, I'm just going to keep my back turned against sin. And if i fall I have an advocate (1 John 2:1-3) with the Father, who is Jesus Christ, and ask for forgiveness and stay in His ways.

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