A friend of mine and me were talking last night and he was telling me about how he does mushrooms ( a form of drug, give you a weird high apparently) to help him witness to people. He was kept telling me that I needed to try it and see what I think and not to take everything the church says and think it is true. He went on to say he is thinking about starting a church where it is ok to do mushrooms while they are there. To him it made him witness to people and see the world as it really is. He told me to read Exodus 16: Exodus 16:13-16 That evening quail came and covered the camp, and in the morning there was a layer of dew around the camp. When the dew was gone, thin flakes like frost on the ground appeared on the desert floor. When the Israelites saw it, they said to each other, "What is it?" For they did not know what it was. Moses said to them, "It is the bread the LORD has given you to eat. This is what the LORD has commanded: 'Each one is to gather as much as he needs. Take an omer for each person you have in your tent.' " He told me that this "bread" is mushrooms and that God said it was ok. By now I was really bothered. I don't take everything the church says and put it as truth, but then again, I don't think everything the church says is wrong. I also try to live by the verse: 1 Corinthians 6:12 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any And... 1 Corinthians 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful; all things are lawful for me, but not all things edify. Basically I see drugs this way, even though mushrooms are given by God, if they control me and don't help me, then they shouldn't be used. I don't know very person and how it would control them, but I know for me it is a big "no, no." I tend to get addicted to things that feel good really easily so I tend to stay away from drugs and alcohol. I have never really had either just because I know myself well enough to know it would just be a disaster. But my question is, is it ok for someone who could handle it? Is it possible for us to be able to handle this "natural drug" as my friend put it and use it for God's glory? Or is it just a cover up to enjoy the natural high that comes from it? And just because it is "natural" and God made it, does it make it ok????
Sam, don't you even think of touching those things lady.
Anything that takes away our ability to control our mind and our actions is totally wrong. Your FRIEND, is not the sort of friend you need to be taking advice from.
I would hazzard a guess your friend is trying to justify his habit. Using the excuse that it helps him witness is laughable in the extreme.
If my memory serves me correct.. (but alight can correct me as he has been around a LOT longer than me), the only aid we need to witness and give God glory is the Holy Spirit.
You just be careful to whom you are talking goldie. remember God gave you two legs to flee from those who would dare tempt you
Good job Alight ...and Amen. Goldie to your question NO!!!... We can all if we wanted to twist the bible to be able to do what WE want and not what the WORD really says... I'm like alight you better run as fast as you can from this guy.... Love AJ
I had some experience with 'substances,' back in the 70's, and I agree with all that has been said so far.
Except perhaps, the running away from him thing, (from the drugs, yes) but who then will show him the Lord?
But just for the sake of being picky; alight said; "is not right for anyone to take something that will alter their way of thinking" How many of us still drink coffee?
I found the coffee/caffeine habit, very difficult to break.
God's Blessings, disciplevance
Wow. I'm not usually speechless, but this one takes the cake.
Ok ... I guess I'm not totally speechless ... lol.
Goldie, I say your instincts are righton. This is one very confused young man. We pray for him then, right? I'm with the others here ... while it is true that back in my ******* days, I would get high and immediately (often) want to talk about God, or write about Him or whatever, it certainly doesn't mean that it was the right thing for me to be doing (the drugs, I mean). As Bethy pointed out [quote] the only aid we need to witness and give God glory is the Holy Spirit. [/quote] Amen sister!
I now know that just because I was high didn't mean that the Lord didn't still have a plan for my life. And we know He most certainly has a plan for our misguided young brother, too. But nobody will ever convince me that drugs Satan uses for bondage is a requirement for better serving God. And He and His spirit can and will reach through dark vices to continue to communicate thoughts and impressions of right and spiritual things, meaning that maybe the Lord is using what the devil intends for evil to His good by causing the young man to continue thinking about ways to serve Him while trying to not have to give up a vice he deems pleasurable ... but that hardly means that it's a divine idea to do drugs to get closer to God, or to better witness for Him! ... Yikes. I know in my own life that it was only Jesus living in my heart trying to draw me closer to Him even THROUGH my wickedness, by continuing to enter my thoughts even if I WAS high. And you know what? Eventually He won and the devil lost. Yippeee! And I am free forever.
I hope the same for your friend and will be praying so. God bless you, little sister. You are on the path, and in my prayers as well.
Umm... Is it just me, or do "fine flakes like frost" sound nothing at all like mushrooms? And later, Exodus 16:31 it says that it was "white like coriander seed and, and it tasted like honey wafers." I'm not exactly a gourmet or anything, but I have yet to find any mushroom that tastes like honey wafers....
Be careful, just like you already decided to do, Goldie.
I agree with Who... "fine flakes like frost" was the manna that God gave them! Good job questioning something that didn't make sense to you rather than just taking his "advice" and following what he said.
I am glad you were able to see that there was something wrong with his interpetation. We are not supposed to do anything to our bodies that would harm us. We are to treat our bodies like a temple for Jesus. I agree with all the comments above.
I meant to say I agree with some of the comments above.
Sage advice indded! That mana was to feed the stomachs of a starving people, not to muddle their minds. As has been stated, we Christians are to be guided by the Spirit, who dwells in our hearts. As Jesus stated, it is not what we put into our mouths, but what comes out of them, that which comes from the heart, that is more important. (slightly out of context, but same point).
I agree that this is may not be the time to abandon this friend, but to bear withness of The Word to him. This is also time to be discerning, as we are told to do by Paul.
And, a a grandpa, while alight rocks with the shotgun, I may pace with a baseball bat.
Alive in the Word
I guess I'll fix some sweet tea and bring it to alight's porch where everyone is sitting.
People say some mighty strange things and really twist truth when they are trying to justify something they are doing that they know is wrong. And honey, this boy takes the cake!
I am absolutely astonished that the guy had the nerve to even suggest you try them but I guess that is what happens under the influence of the power of darkness. I am wondering how he managed to translate "manna" into (mind altering, hallucinagenic) "mushrooms"? I thank God that you did not take him up on his offer. Hold fast to that which is good Goldie and get your mushrooms from the supermarket!
Hey, youaregolden, check it out: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509016,00.html
82-year-old man died from eating mushrooms that he had picked and sauteed with a steak. Yes, God made mushrooms. God made snakes, too--and some varieties of mushrooms AND snakes are poisonous.
"God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power and of love and of SOUND MIND." One way to keep it "sound" -- avoid things that alter our consciousness.
Goldie, I'm high right now... ... ON THE HOLY SPIRIT! I'm proud of you girl for staying away from drugs and alcohol. I didn't know the Lord when I was younger and I got into this gang of hoods and into the drug scene. I wasn't a heavy user, but I don't pride myself on that. I do however pride myself on the fact that God called me out of that life and into this one.
This guy is messed up...really messed up in more ways than one. I agree some with staying away from him, but only if you think that it is a temptation to you. If it is not and you know absolutely without a doubt that you will not fall for this false teaching, then maybe you can lead this guy out of his drug habit.
People are right here, some will twist the Bible to aid their addictions. My son has a proclaimed Christian that works with him and he always tells Zac that it is ok to get drunk. There will always be someone out there who tries to get you to let your guard down and walk away from God and into sin. Trust your own instincts from the Holy Spirit Goldie. You know it is wrong! I don't miss that lifestyle one bit. All I did when I was high or drunk was make an A of myself. Oh, one other question, is doing mushrooms legal?
If it were me, I would have to tell this guy, "Unless you decide to stop using God's word to aid your addiction, please do not come around me." That's my opinion. Oh, and tell him to not talk about it again because it is a dead end subject for you.
Bless you sister. I'll be praying for you as always.
OH, my sister Mona just stirred my memory to 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 - 19 You should know that your body is a temple for the Holy Spirit who is in you. You have received the Holy Spirit from God. So you do not belong to yourselves,20 because you were bought by God for a price. So honor God with your bodies.
Ask your friend about this Scripture...but don't argue with him over it. Just ask the Lord for otehr scriptures about how we treat our bodies and speak those to him if he will listen. I'll pray he have open ears and mind and heart to listen to you Golden. Bless you sister.
I have two daughters and I will be blunt with you....If he has this way of thinking and its really embedded into his thinking.....Whats to stop him from putting something in your drink..."For your own good"..mentality.....Stay away from him and pray for him....This doesnt have to be a deep subject!.....its like LSD and I know and have seen people get mentally messed up FOR LIFE!....they are not quite right!.....Please learn from someone that was once very young and foolish....ME!.....GOD Loves you and look at all the people here who care about you.....God Blesses you young lady
Not every plant is good! Take poison ivy for example. In Genesis it states that after Adam fell, God cursed the ground. From then on, the perfect earth was gone away. Nice try!
I didn't know it was illegal to do mushrooms.. but check out this link :http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_law.shtml. They are illegal to grow or sell or buy unless they are spores. So they are illegal and everything you guys are saying holds good ground for an arguement
He gave me this site : http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=10494 to look at to back his claim about mushrooms being in the Bible.. These being the mushrooms people "trip" of off and they get visionary stuff and from what my friend says, a more real look at things.
So, I called this friend the other night and we talked about it but I forgot to mention the whole illegal part of it. But I explained to him my side and he is still sticking to his ways. When we talk next time I will bring up the point that they are illegal and God told us to follow the law and see what he says against that argument.
If you could all pray for him. I am not tempted by drugs or even alcohol, so don't worry about me. I have no desire for it and I think God put me in this guys life to help. So pray for wisdom and the right words for me and pray that this guy sees the problem here.
Golden, you see you have a lot of people here who love you and are giving you all kinds of good advice. Like Raul says, it all comes from experience. Heed all these warnings signs. It is the same as a dangerous curve sign on a road, if you think you do not have to pay attention to that sign and you can take that curve at whatever speed you want, you will end up going through the guard rail and crash your life. This guy, which most drug users do, thinks only of himself. He will not care if he takes you down with him. When I was with the gang I was with, as soon as we graduated and they went their way and I went mine, that was the end of the friendship. Why? Because they couldn't get what they wanted out of me anymore, money for their drugs. These type of people will use whoever they come in contact with to accomplish one thing, to get their way. They are very selfish.
I retract what I said earlier, for your safety and well-being I would not be around this guy. I know you call him a friend, but what kind of friend would tell you to do drugs to be close to God? We all trust you Golden, it is him we do not trust. You are better than that and deserve way better friend than that. Ones who will lift you up and pray for you and say high to you at the Christian Blog Festival. Sorry, I had to break the seriousness for a second. Yet this is serious Sam. We do not want to see you get hurt again. I'm sure you will be bathed in prayer here at CB by the many readers of this blog. Listen to those who have experience Sam. We love you sister. You are in our prayers.